New Ammo bill

[hunter49]

  Check out  New ammo bill started S01038 ,  may have to register all guns to buy ammo if "they" think you are safe.  Time to contact your Reps again!

[Steve D]

I think you may have the wrong bill number??

S01038 Summary:

BILL NO	S01038
SAME AS	SAME AS A08460
SPONSOR	SERRANO
COSPNSR	SAVINO, STEWART-COUSINS
MLTSPNSR
Amd S13.15, Pks & Rec L
Provides senior citizens shall be entitled to use any park, recreational facility or historic site without the imposition of any fee or other charge; defines senior citizens as persons 65 years of age or older.

[hunter49]

 Sure wish I knew how to copy & paste.    I am pretty sure that this is the correct bill  number & the bill was about having to register all your guns pistols , shot guns & rifles in order to buy any ammo.  A person would have to have back ground check & "they" will decide if you a safe enough to buy the ammo..  It is part of King Andy's safe act part #2.  It had nothing to do with the use of parks.  Also there was not yet an Assembly bill to go with it.   Old age , can't copy & paste & can't remember where the "F" I saw it.

[DirtTime]

I cannot find anything on the actual .GOV sites pertaining to this being a full fledged bill, but I found these:

 

https://legiscan.com/NY/votes/S01038/2019

 

https://legiscan.com/NY/bill/S01038/2019

 

 

 

[Rattler]

The last time I was in NJ, I stopped at a small mom & pop gun store in the mountains of NW NJ.  This is a really rural area of the state.  I asked for a box of .22 LR for a rifle.  I was asked to show my NJ Firearms I.D. card.  I said I'm from NY State.  I was then informed I would have to show my NY Pistol permit to buy the .22 LR ammo.  I said it was for a .22 rifle and was told it didn't matter, as .22 LR is a pistol round too.  When the owner told me it was the law and apologized for the trouble, I responded by saying I'm sorry NJ is a police state and left without the ammo.

Further research revealed an 18 year old can buy a .22 rifle legally, but cannot buy any ammo to shoot it until 21 years of age, the legal age in NJ to own a handgun, as .22 LR is a pistol round.  BTW, they are recording and reporting all ammo sales in that state now as well.

They may not have all the firearms registered yet, but they definitely have all of the owners of firearms under surveillance already.  It won't be long before they start to question every ammo purchase made if they don't have a record of you owning a firearm that the ammo would be used in.  They are trying to implement every way of controlling your 2nd Amendment rights as possible, and they are succeeding.

Edited January 13, 2019 by Rattler

[greensider]

I was asked that at Walmart in fishkill ny but was sold the ammunition when I said it was for a rifle 

[Rattler]

Did they write any of your information down during the sale?

 

[hunter49]

  I bought 22 LR shot shells at Caleba's & had to show  drivers license & tell birthday.

[DirtTime]

23 hours ago, Rattler said:

The last time I was in NJ, I stopped at a small mom & pop gun store in the mountains of NW NJ.  This is a really rural area of the state.  I asked for a box of .22 LR for a rifle.  I was asked to show my NJ Firearms I.D. card.  I said I'm from NY State.  I was then informed I would have to show my NY Pistol permit to buy the .22 LR ammo.  I said it was for a .22 rifle and was told it didn't matter, as .22 LR is a pistol round too.  When the owner told me it was the law and apologized for the trouble, I responded by saying I'm sorry NJ is a police state and left without the ammo.

Further research revealed an 18 year old can buy a .22 rifle legally, but cannot buy any ammo to shoot it until 21 years of age, the legal age in NJ to own a handgun, as .22 LR is a pistol round.  BTW, they are recording and reporting all ammo sales in that state now as well.

They may not have all the firearms registered yet, but they definitely have all of the owners of firearms under surveillance already.  It won't be long before they start to question every ammo purchase made if they don't have a record of you owning a firearm that the ammo would be used in.  They are trying to implement every way of controlling your 2nd Amendment rights as possible, and they are succeeding.

I call BS! Even here in NY, it has always been procedure/law to ask for proof of age to buy alcohol,  tobacco products, firearms, ammo, and porn. So yes, you have to show them a valid and acceptable photo ID. By what you are putting out there this is already in place in other states? You seem to like to look things up, so please do post where the laws in New Jersey won't allow you to buy ammo being a NYS resident. I want to see the FACTUAL details on this, show some links to the "Research" you found.

 

Edited January 14, 2019 by Rob...

[Rattler]

Rob, I really don't care what you want.  I want a big breasted woman who owns a liquor store, but I don't think I'm going to get it.  

The fact they ask for proof of age and your I.D. is not as important as their recording that info.  They don't write anything down in a register when you buy booze or cigarettes.  I'm only concerned about ammo sales.  (I don't know anything about porn sales.  I'll have to take your word for that)

I never said NJ won't sell ammo to a NY resident.  I said it won't sell you "pistol" ammo if you don't have a NY pistol permit.  I also said NJ won't sell "pistol" ammo to anyone under 21 years old, even NJ residents.

I posted this because I experienced it in person at the gun shop in NJ.  If you think I didn't, I don't care.  If you want to see FACTUAL details, you can do your own link search.  I have no desire to expend any time or energy on anything demanded of me by an antagonist.

I'm currently feeling benevolent though, so I'll make it easy for you Rob, the shop is called Stokes Forest Sports Shop.  You can find them on a Google search.  Their phone # is (973) 948-5448.  Call them yourself and get the info from them first hand.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Rattler

[Rattler]

Heck, one request on Google provided the info.  You couldn't look it up yourself?

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/ammunition-regulation-in-new-jersey/

Ammunition Regulation in New Jersey

Last updated October 9, 2018.

Persons Prohibited from Purchasing/Possessing Ammunition

In order to sell, transfer, purchase or otherwise acquire any handgun ammunition in New Jersey, the transferee must be a licensed gun dealer, wholesaler or manufacturer, or possess a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card, a permit to purchase a handgun, or a permit to carry a handgun.¹

Handgun ammunition may be transferred for lawful use in certain narrow circumstances.² In addition, the sale of a “de minimis” amount of handgun ammunition for immediate use at a firearm range is permitted if the range is operated by a: 1) licensed firearms dealer; 2) law enforcement agency; 3) legally recognized military organization; or 4) rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police.³

Ammunition Seller Record-keeping

Retail sellers of firearm ammunition are required to maintain a permanent record of ammunition acquisition and disposition.⁴ Acquisition records must be kept at the business location and record the name of the manufacturer, the type, caliber or gauge, quantity of the ammunition acquired, the date of each acquisition and person from whom the ammunition was acquired. Disposition records must be in bound form and contain the date of the transaction, name of manufacturer, caliber or gauge, quantity of ammunition sold, name, address and date of birth of purchaser, and identification used to establish the identity of the purchaser. Sellers must record sales or other dispositions of handgun ammunition and ammunition that may be interchangeable between rifles and handguns, as well as hollow-nosed or dum-dum ammunition.⁵

Minimum Age to Purchase/Possess

New Jersey prohibits any person from selling, giving, transferring, assigning or otherwise disposing of handgun ammunition to a person under age 21.⁶

Regulation of Unreasonably Dangerous Ammunition

New Jersey generally prohibits any person from knowingly possessing, manufacturing, transporting, shipping, selling, or disposing armor piercing ammunition.⁷

New Jersey also prohibits the knowing possession of any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet.⁸ Hollow nose and dum-dum are terms associated with bullets designed to expand on impact. These terms are not specifically defined under New Jersey law.

[Rattler]

Now, for everyone who doesn't think the government is your friend, ask yourself this:  Why do they want to record all ammo transaction info?  What would they possibly do with it?  How would they stop any crimes with this info?  How easy would it be for them to cross reference this data with the data they have on file for a NJ residents firearms?  What are they going to do when they see a NJ resident bought .357 ammo and doesn't have a .357 registered in the NJ data base?  Will they believe him when he says he bought it to shoot in a friends rifle in NY, or will they get a warrant to search his home for an unregistered handgun?  Will they assume he sold it to a gang member?  How much labor does a NJ FFL have to do to comply with this legislation?  How much does that cost an FFL each year?  How much more does he have to charge for ammo to cover his costs?  How easy will this make it for the state to find a NJ FFL in violation of a minor paperwork error and remove his FFL license?  How much money is this enormous paperwork data base costing NJ taxpayers?  How big of a black market does this create among criminals who want to buy their ammo without going through this stupidity?

Anyone who thinks that state doesn't have nefarious intentions regarding the use of this data is a fool.  Anyone who thinks this won't be coming to NY state is also a fool.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Rattler

[DirtTime]

Ugh............

 

Listen, once again, I am PRO CONSTITUTIONAL EVERYTHING! I am not fan of the the laws being shoved down our throats! But, its not going to change. I keep stating things, and no one gets it, this is how the world works now, everything you post in the www is recorded, it's nothing new. So if you are so damned afraid of "Big Brother" seeing what you post on the internet, then don't post! Do some friggin' research! If you think posting on just this site keeps you 'safe', you are sadly mistaken.

 

I'm not even sure why I am defending my stand on this thread. I still hate when people use use other states regulations to puff up their political pigeon chest! Please, show me a link for THIS state where this is an actual bill the in progress. PLEASE!

[Rattler]

On 1/14/2019 at 12:41 AM, Rob... said:

By what you are putting out there this is already in place in other states? You seem to like to look things up, so please do post where the laws in New Jersey won't allow you to buy ammo being a NYS resident. I want to see the FACTUAL details on this, show some links to the "Research" you found.

This is what you demanded.  That's what I gave you.  Your Welcome!

Not sure what you were trying to say in the first paragraph of your last post.  As far as a bill in NY, when it comes up, I'll be sure to post a link for everyone to see.  I'm sure it will be along any day now.

[diplomat019]

As a former resident of nj ratt is correct.  You need a nj  id card to buy certain ammo. I didnt buy my ammo in nj so I particularly didnt pay much attention to them. But it was kinda shocking when i forst found that out. 

Edited January 16, 2019 by diplomat019