Welfare

[Skillet]

I'm a born again Christian and baptised baptist....you prove to me God is real. You might have as much proof as with the bigfoot. It has never been proven. You can't say that. God /religion is a belief and not a tangible item.

I was'nt going to get involved with this crap but what the hell....there are people that NEED welfare at times.I'm not saying that it isn't abused buy most. Walk a mile in some others shoes before you sit on your high horse and think you have the right to judge anyone. For you Christians,you should know better than to judge....read your bible....who am I to judge. This crap gets my goat,this is a hunting forum,not a site for people who think thier shat don't stink.

So, who was it intended for? I can have an opinion without judging. Never once did I say my sh*t didn't stink. As it's been said on this thread several times, we are talking about lazy, capable people who are abusing the system. Not the genuinely handicapped.

Why bother calling yourself a Christian if you have no faith, or conviction about even the existence of God?

[Single_shot]

A statement was made that God does exist. All I said was prove it. The point is you can't prove it. None of us can....it is a belief.Thats not hard to comprehend. I never said I did not believe in God. I was making a point that was missed I suppose.

As far as my intention at the time of keystrokes,it was inteded for everyone as a whole....people point the finger readly before they think....there go I except for the grace of God. It was'nt inteded for any one person. Who are we to judge,cast the first stone,turn the cheek etc. We all have skelatons in the closet,but most won't admit it.

[Dave]

Just checked my closet, coats, jackets, gloves, shoes, boots, hats. No skeletons. Don't believe in skeletons but I do believe in GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[Early]

Wow...This thread has really run astray: Despite that, I think what we have discovered is that there are those who would take care of their fellow man...and those who would not. Now, of course, the "would nots" would attach conditions such as "I would help those who help themselves" and other such butt-covering hoohah, but the fact is...their hearts are hard...dark, and hard!

[dave6x6]

As a christian it pains me to see what welfare is doing to a whole segment of society. And it makes me mad as hell that people think that they are being compationate by being an enabler. Did any of you left leaners ever raise a child. You don't give without expectations of people. That produces dependence and un-greatfulness. Even Jesus who gave his life so that we could spend eternity with Him asked us to do something for this free gift. Believe in Him and Repent. The liberal policies of the past 60yrs. have created a whole society of people enslaved to them and their views. At first it was embarrassing to except the assistance, then it was excepted under the compation montra, and now it has been perfected by this generation as a way of life and a right as a citizen. How sad that all these children growing up in this way of life will never know the joy of accomplishing great things. The joy of making and producing something with their brains and bare hands, or of giving back to people in need because they now have more than they need. Liberal welfare in the form we know today is nothing short of criminal in what it has done to these people. I am sad when i think of what their lives could have been like had liberalism simply been made illegal or classified publicly for what it truelly is.. A clinical mental disorder..

[Early]

OMG...As the kids might say, "Gag Me!" Makes one wonder: Was Jesus as mean-spirited, narrow-minded, and bigoted as those who now profess to follow his teachings?

[Skillet]

A statement was made that God does exist. All I said was prove it. The point is you can't prove it. None of us can....it is a belief.Thats not hard to comprehend. I never said I did not believe in God. I was making a point that was missed I suppose.

As far as my intention at the time of keystrokes,it was inteded for everyone as a whole....people point the finger readly before they think....there go I except for the grace of God. It was'nt inteded for any one person. Who are we to judge,cast the first stone,turn the cheek etc. We all have skelatons in the closet,but most won't admit it.

I hear you on the skeletons, definitely have a bunch of my own.

Early, nobody here is being bigoted or mean - spirited. There has been no reference made to race. Lazy people come in all races. If I have a problem with laziness, how does that make me bigoted or mean spirited? How is it narrow minded to tell someone that if they are capable, then they need to work for what they have in life? I didn't start this thread to argue with non - believers, you either believe or you don't. I would like everyone to believe, but it's an individual's choice.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Skillet

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Early- Is it cold and dark expecting able folks to be responsible for themselves...is it cold and dark to insist that people take responsibility for their actions...is it cold and dark to believe a woman should not be rewarded for not being able to keep her legs together. Is it cold and dark wanting to have a say in how my hard earned money is spent on "charity"..is it cold and dark to think the liberals have a more self serving interest int these programs than helping people...is it cold and dark to think social programs steal self esteem and pro.ores a culture of laziness....if that is dark and cold then I wear that badge with pride.

Just for clarification....what programs have you or your family taken advantage of?

[dave6x6]

OMG...As the kids might say, "Gag Me!" Makes one wonder: Was Jesus as mean-spirited, narrow-minded, and bigoted as those who now profess to follow his teachings?

Since this has turned into somewhat of a religious discussion i'll respond to this as gently as i can so you don't take it out of context AGAIN. If you understood God, you would know that he himself had very little tolerance for anything that would lead his beloved people to a life of misery, emptiness, dispair and destruction. If that is not the definition of Todays Welfare system then i don't know what is. As Christians and Conservatives we have always been at the forfront of championing the fight for those in need dispite what the media and educational system has done to distort this through there ignorance. Please don't be ignorant yourself. To me there is nothing more narrow minded than to think that giving able bodied people money is somehow better then giving them the dignity of making their own? Our compassion has always been rooted in impowering individuals through freedom, as opposed to enslaving them. And our compassion has always included providing support for the downtrodden and those with challenges that can only be overcome with help. I think our frustration come out when people, apparently like yourself, fail to see the destruction that these policies have had on so many lives. Truelly a sad business. How do you live with that..

[Early]

I must admit, Culver, that my wife and I have taken advantage of local charity programs. Over the past several years we have donated hundreds of dollars worth of winter coats for a "Coats For Children" program...hundreds of dollars worth of school supplies for a "Back To School" program...along with hundreds of dollars worth of food and volunteer time at a local food pantry. So, in your righteous ignorance you can call me guilty.

Roots of all evil....money and religion!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Early that is truely noble and commendable. And I too have contributed to charities of my choosing and have spent my time in similar service. But you know what both of our efforts have in common. They are by our choosing. That really is how it should be.

You have to admit that many here have brought up many instances where many think the system is abused and of itself is part of the problem. Your responses have been right down the line of the extreme left. If you oppose the entitlement programs you have a cold heart and want to see children and elderly starving in the streets. How about contributing. Show us where we are wrong in expecting able bodied to be responsible for their own actions. Show me the error in my ways

[Skillet]

I must admit, Culver, that my wife and I have taken advantage of local charity programs. Over the past several years we have donated hundreds of dollars worth of winter coats for a "Coats For Children" program...hundreds of dollars worth of school supplies for a "Back To School" program...along with hundreds of dollars worth of food and volunteer time at a local food pantry. So, in your righteous ignorance you can call me guilty.

Roots of all evil....money and religion!

For all of your whining about us, you are really the only one here judging anybody. I don't think Culver is ignorant at all. Look in the mirror.

Money is evil? Live without it for awhile, maybe you'll pray for help when the couch cushions are tapped out.

[Doc]

Since this has turned into somewhat of a religious discussion i'll respond to this as gently as i can so you don't take it out of context AGAIN. If you understood God, you would know that he himself had very little tolerance for anything that would lead his beloved people to a life of misery, emptiness, dispair and destruction. If that is not the definition of Todays Welfare system then i don't know what is. As Christians and Conservatives we have always been at the forfront of championing the fight for those in need dispite what the media and educational system has done to distort this through there ignorance. Please don't be ignorant yourself. To me there is nothing more narrow minded than to think that giving able bodied people money is somehow better then giving them the dignity of making their own? Our compassion has always been rooted in impowering individuals through freedom, as opposed to enslaving them. And our compassion has always included providing support for the downtrodden and those with challenges that can only be overcome with help. I think our frustration come out when people, apparently like yourself, fail to see the destruction that these policies have had on so many lives. Truelly a sad business. How do you live with that..

This is likely the most intelligent response that I have seen on this whole thread, and I fully expect to see no rebuttal for this one. Chances are good that this comment will be purposely ignored.

[nyantler]

I must admit, Culver, that my wife and I have taken advantage of local charity programs. Over the past several years we have donated hundreds of dollars worth of winter coats for a "Coats For Children" program...hundreds of dollars worth of school supplies for a "Back To School" program...along with hundreds of dollars worth of food and volunteer time at a local food pantry. So, in your righteous ignorance you can call me guilty.

Roots of all evil....money and religion!

I think you miss the point of the differece between welfare (government entitlements and the dispersal of other people money without their consent) and charity... not a single post has been made here condemning charity... charity is giving while welfare is taking... absolutely not the same.