QAnon and hunting don’t mix

[Versatile_Hunter]

13 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Hey don't worry about me.  I'm the least stressed, least tense man you will ever meet. 

I just have a very low tolerance for stupidity regarding freedom and rights and have to point it out whenever I see it.  But if you had me doing it to you in person, you would see me laughing at you while I'm saying it.

It's all really quite humerus to me.  (That's a medical pun BTW, not a misspelling)

A medical pun??? You're waaaay out of your depth - tread carefully 

[Grouse]

Like I said, you don't know anything about me.  LOL!

[Versatile_Hunter]

4 hours ago, Northcountryman said:

You know, VH always refers to QAnon --and these Lizard people-- as if these belief systems are mainstream on the right(which is ludicrous).  I'm not a believer in QAnon--in fact, I didnt even know what it was until it was brought up in one of the debates back in the fall and i googled it. Do you guys believe in that conspiracy ?? Just wondering, and if so, can you explain why?  I'd be interested in knowing more about it.  Also, what the hell is this lizard people stuff VH keeps bringing up?  Is that real?

Assuming that all Republicans believe in lizard people is no different than suggesting that all Democrats are radical socialists. Nevertheless, I do not actually believe that. Most Republicans are not right wing populist on a race to the darkest corners of society. In fact, many voted for Biden last November... 

[Grouse]

Oh this one I call BS.  Back it up with data.

[Versatile_Hunter]

27 minutes ago, Uncle Nicky said:

We all know who Trump is & what he stands for.

But I am still in complete shock that anyone who owns guns & wants to keep them would vote for Biden, or any of today's current Democrats for that matter. The common theme why people disliked Trump  was "He's mean, he's rude". No thought whatsoever to where we are headed with this new regime, which is down the toilet. 

Complete shock? You need to get out more. (but don't forget your mask!)

[Northcountryman]

39 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Assuming that all Republicans believe in lizard people is no different than suggesting that all Democrats are radical socialists. Nevertheless, I do not actually believe that. Most Republicans are not right wing populist on a race to the darkest corners of society. In fact, many voted for Biden last November... 

Well, we finally found something we can both agree on!!  Correct, I do NOT believe that most Dems are actually radical Socialists. So , my question is: why do you bring up fringe conspiracies like Q Anon and the Lizard People with such regularity then if you dont actually believe that its mainstream in the Republican party?  And again, whats up with this Lizard people thing? Are you talking about that Nashville bomber dude? If so, why do you associate this belief system consistently with Conservatives?

 

[Grouse]

I also don't believe all Dems are radical socialists.  I just want to know why they vote for them.

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Grouse

[Versatile_Hunter]

I really do hope those whose feelings were hurt by the article I posted actually do read (and listen) to it in full. But let's bring it back around to hunting. One of the most critical aspects of being in the woods is the ability to exercise good judgement. Not only is this necessary for finding game and for figuring out where to post, it's also imperative that one acts judiciously when carrying a lethal instrument. Every year we hear of numerous hunters that are accidentally killed by other hunters who failed at this test of  judgement.
This nation was founded under the premise that disagreement and debate will make her better and stronger. But when a subset of individuals exploit people in need by feeding them false narratives and conspiracy theories, one wonders whether these afflicted folks are fit to walk around in the woods with a loaded rifle. If you sincerely believe in deepstate conspiracies that promise martial law and a return of Trump or that threaten your emotional stability by claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians, to what extent does the impairment in judgement that is necessary to fall victim to these lies spill over into other aspects of your life? I personally do not think that it exists in a small vacuum within your mind. Thus, QAnon and hunting do not mix. 

[Versatile_Hunter]

29 minutes ago, Northcountryman said:

Well, we finally found something we can both agree on!!  Correct, I do NOT believe that most Dems are actually radical Socialists. So , my question is: why do you bring up fringe conspiracies like Q Anon and the Lizard People with such regularity then if you dont actually believe that its mainstream in the Republican party?  And again, whats up with this Lizard people thing? Are you talking about that Nashville bomber dude? If so, why do you associate this belief system consistently with Conservatives?

 

It's a spectrum, right? For instance, if you've ever used the term RINO to refer to a conservative, life-long Republican because they didn't kowtow to fringe ideologies, you're part of the problem.

[Northcountryman]

9 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

It's a spectrum, right? For instance, if you've ever used the term RINO to refer to a conservative, life-long Republican because they didn't kowtow to fringe ideologies, you're part of the problem.

Well, that is truly a non-sequitor ! My friend, You still have not answered my question!! How does usage of the term RINO as a pejorative label relate here? 

[Grouse]

At one time a system like ObamaCare was labeled a "conspiracy theory" that was nothing to be concerned with, even though healthcare experts warned us it was something being proposed by certain people in government.  And people who trusted the government, thought people who were wary of it, to be mentally unstable. 

Yet here we are.  And now there is talk of a single payer system that would control your health with government controlled healthcare from cradle to grave and high taxes to pay for it.  Some people see the obvious problem with that, just look at the VA for proof, and some are in denial of evidence or are clueless.  When the government proposes something that will give it more power over your freedom, you should always be cynical and skeptical.

So judging people based on their beliefs, without allowing your mind to be open enough to hear them present their case, is probably a mental condition not unlike denial of reality.

And likening people who question some government mandates, with people who are fringe radicals, is hyperbole to make all with opposing opinions seem like radicals.

BTW, what people think about politics has absolutely no bearing on their ability to be safe while hunting.  That's a straw man argument from the start.  It's like saying people who believe in God should not be allowed to hunt with a firearm.

[Northcountryman]

25 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I really do hope those whose feelings were hurt by the article I posted actually do read (and listen) to it in full. But let's bring it back around to hunting. One of the most critical aspects of being in the woods is the ability to exercise good judgement. Not only is this necessary for finding game and for figuring out where to post, it's also imperative that one acts judiciously when carrying a lethal instrument. Every year we hear of numerous hunters that are accidentally killed by other hunters who failed at this test of  judgement.
This nation was founded under the premise that disagreement and debate will make her better and stronger. But when a subset of individuals exploit people in need by feeding them false narratives and conspiracy theories, one wonders whether these afflicted folks are fit to walk around in the woods with a loaded rifle. If you sincerely believe in deepstate conspiracies that promise martial law and a return of Trump or that threaten your emotional stability by claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians, to what extent does the impairment in judgement that is necessary to fall victim to these lies spill over into other aspects of your life? I personally do not think that it exists in a small vacuum within your mind. Thus, QAnon and hunting do not mix. 

With all due respect, your premise is ludicrous as there is absolutely NO connection between the two--certainly not any more or less than those who believed in Russian collusion, and that Trump conspired with the Russians to change votes to get elected.  Or, do you believe that that notion has merit?  Nope, bottom line is, you can believe in wacky theories, right or left wing in foundation and scope, but that has NO bearing on your ability to exercise good judgement in  the woods; unless, of course, youre psychotic-- Then that would be another matter!!

[Versatile_Hunter]

We may be on the verge of actually having a discussion here... I agree it is easy to make a caricature of QAnon believers. The article I shared does infuse some humanity into the matter.

[Northcountryman]

I thought that we already were 

[DoubleDose]

3 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I really do hope those whose feelings were hurt by the article I posted actually do read (and listen) to it in full. But let's bring it back around to hunting. One of the most critical aspects of being in the woods is the ability to exercise good judgement. Not only is this necessary for finding game and for figuring out where to post, it's also imperative that one acts judiciously when carrying a lethal instrument. Every year we hear of numerous hunters that are accidentally killed by other hunters who failed at this test of  judgement.
This nation was founded under the premise that disagreement and debate will make her better and stronger. But when a subset of individuals exploit people in need by feeding them false narratives and conspiracy theories, one wonders whether these afflicted folks are fit to walk around in the woods with a loaded rifle. If you sincerely believe in deepstate conspiracies that promise martial law and a return of Trump or that threaten your emotional stability by claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians, to what extent does the impairment in judgement that is necessary to fall victim to these lies spill over into other aspects of your life? I personally do not think that it exists in a small vacuum within your mind. Thus, QAnon and hunting do not mix. 

There is arguably one false narrative in this.  "...claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians".  Two words Jeffrey Epstein!

[Versatile_Hunter]

15 hours ago, DoubleDose said:

There is arguably one false narrative in this.  "...claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians".  Two words Jeffrey Epstein!

Looking at the numbers, a child is much more likely to get raped at church or at the boys scouts or by a relative than by a random rich guy. 

[Uncle Nicky]

4 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I really do hope those whose feelings were hurt by the article I posted actually do read (and listen) to it in full. But let's bring it back around to hunting. One of the most critical aspects of being in the woods is the ability to exercise good judgement. Not only is this necessary for finding game and for figuring out where to post, it's also imperative that one acts judiciously when carrying a lethal instrument. Every year we hear of numerous hunters that are accidentally killed by other hunters who failed at this test of  judgement.
This nation was founded under the premise that disagreement and debate will make her better and stronger. But when a subset of individuals exploit people in need by feeding them false narratives and conspiracy theories, one wonders whether these afflicted folks are fit to walk around in the woods with a loaded rifle. If you sincerely believe in deepstate conspiracies that promise martial law and a return of Trump or that threaten your emotional stability by claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians, to what extent does the impairment in judgement that is necessary to fall victim to these lies spill over into other aspects of your life? I personally do not think that it exists in a small vacuum within your mind. Thus, QAnon and hunting do not mix. 

GTFOH, talk about going out on a limb. These right wing boogeymen you see in your nightmares are the ones who will save your sorry ass when the doo doo hits the fan, and it probably is coming sooner than later.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Uncle Nicky

[DoubleDose]

2 hours ago, DoubleDose said:

There is arguably one false narrative in this.  "...claiming that your children are at risk of being predated by a cabal of elite politicians".  Two words Jeffrey Epstein!

 

1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Looking at the numbers, a child is much more likely to get raped at church or at the boys scouts or by a relative than by a random fucked up rich guy. 

Your first point was that it is a conspiracy that "children are at risk of predation by a cabal of elite politicians".  I pointed out that it happened via Jeffrey Epstein.  Very elite politicians participated.  Your next point is that it happens more with other predators. That is not a defense or support that your first point is accurate.  

[Versatile_Hunter]

4 hours ago, DoubleDose said:

 

Your first point was that it is a conspiracy that "children are at risk of predation by a cabal of elite politicians".  I pointed out that it happened via Jeffrey Epstein.  Very elite politicians participated.  Your next point is that it happens more with other predators. That is not a defense or support that your first point is accurate.  

I see your confusion. It’s not unlike the whole widespread voter fraud lie. You see, there are most certainly isolated events of error and fraud in the election, as there is in everything touched by man. That is not equivalent to an orchestrated plan to overturn an election via widespread voter fraud. 
In my post, I wrote that deep state conspiracies that conjure a cabal of pedophiles is emotionally destabilizing to the MAGA crowd whose imagination been captured by this terror. Child predators surely exist at all levels of the economic spectrum - this hardly contributes a cabal. 

[Versatile_Hunter]

5 hours ago, Uncle Nicky said:

GTFOH, talk about going out on a limb. These right wing boogeymen you see in your nightmares are the ones who will save your sorry ass when the doo doo hits the fan, and it probably is coming sooner than later.

Nope, these right wing nuts are real, but mostly sad rather than scary. You should look elsewhere for your saviors...

[Grouse]

14 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Looking at the numbers, a child is much more likely to get raped at church or at the boys scouts or by a relative than by a random rich guy. 

I would like to look at the numbers you're talking about, because I once again call BS here.

There is a huge worldwide problem with sex trafficking right now.  It is a major crises that the media gives very little ink to.  The media seems to always cover for these rich guys.  And if you don't think these rich guys are numerous, or violating millions of young women, you need to start paying attention to INTERPOL.

[Uncle Nicky]

5 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Nope, these right wing nuts are real, but mostly sad rather than scary. You should look elsewhere for your saviors...

More BS, Comrade. If these right wing conspiracy theory "nuts" and so called white supremacist domestic terrorists (I still haven't seen them actually identified) don't pose a threat in your head, then why are you on here creating posts & trying to get others to agree with you? I need no savior, I'm more than ready to stand up & do whatever it takes to protect myself & my family if & when the time comes. You appear to support gun control & leftist policies that will take the majority of your rights as a citizen away, maybe you know this, maybe you don't. Sounds like you'll be needing a savior if things ever get ugly, and it's these nuts you claim to hate so much that will be the ones taking bullets for misguided souls with no idea of history or how the world actually works.

[Uncle Nicky]

19 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I would like to look at the numbers you're talking about, because I once again call BS here.

There is a huge worldwide problem with sex trafficking right now.  It is a major crises that the media gives very little ink to.  The media seems to always cover for these rich guys.  And if you don't think these rich guys are numerous, or violating millions of young women, you need to start paying attention to INTERPOL.

If the reports are to believed, sex trafficking is the third largest criminal enterprise in the world, after narcotics & illegal weapons sales. It really exists, most of us aren't aware because we don't travel in the same circles as pedophiles & criminals, but it certainly DOES exist.

[DoubleDose]

6 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I see your confusion. It’s not unlike the whole widespread voter fraud lie. You see, there are most certainly isolated events of error and fraud in the election, as there is in everything touched by man. That is not equivalent to an orchestrated plan to overturn an election via widespread voter fraud. 
In my post, I wrote that deep state conspiracies that conjure a cabal of pedophiles is emotionally destabilizing to the MAGA crowd whose imagination been captured by this terror. Child predators surely exist at all levels of the economic spectrum - this hardly contributes a cabal. 

I am not confused at all; and am following a logical thought process.  I was never talking about voter fraud, at all!. I was talking about your point referencing child predators and how it was incorrect. You then attempted to defend it by bringing up that other types of child predators are more prevalent, which is a moot and irrelevant point.  This latest post then attempts to defend your statement by shifting to voter fraud, not child predators.  Let me give a historical analogy of your argument:

VH: Genocide occurring  is a conspiracy.

DD: Here is the proof and the mass burial evidence.

VH: More people were killed by Hitler and Stalin.

 

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by DoubleDose
clarification

[Northcountryman]

8 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

I see your confusion. It’s not unlike the whole widespread voter fraud lie. You see, there are most certainly isolated events of error and fraud in the election, as there is in everything touched by man. That is not equivalent to an orchestrated plan to overturn an election via widespread voter fraud. 
In my post, I wrote that deep state conspiracies that conjure a cabal of pedophiles is emotionally destabilizing to the MAGA crowd whose imagination been captured by this terror. Child predators surely exist at all levels of the economic spectrum - this hardly contributes a cabal. 

Again, you're exaggerating and oversimplifying:

1)Voter/election fraud is real and didnt have to be orchestrated at the highest levels of the democratic party; in fact, im sure that it wasnt cuz that would be too difficult. Most likely, it was done at the local/regional level in the heavily democrat cities of swing states (PA, WI, MI, AZ).  I believe that Georgia happened due to the efforts of Stacie Abrams and her ilk. From what I've read, she had a substantial democrat machinery still at the ready and in place from her failed Gubernatorial bid 2 yrs previously.   This boots on the ground contingent was powerful, well-organized and heavily controlled  the heavily populated urban centers in GA (Atlanta, Savannah, etc.)and ultimately, delivered the state for Biden via fraud.

2)The vast majority of the" MAGA crowd" doesnt buy into the Q Anon stuff.  Do you have evidence that they do? You constantly attempt to portray them as witless buffons by averring this association--why is that?

Also, you never answered my previous ?? about the lizard people and your opinion of those who endorsed the Russia collusion foolishness!! Do you belive that Russia enabled Trump to win the 2016 election? If not, do you believe that those that buy into that are = loonie??