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Just saw on the news this stupid law just got voted down again. Thanks to all the smart legislators who voted against it and all the voters who called in to support them for doing so.

This is a picture of my 13 year old nephew with his second gobbler ever. It's not from this year but I thought some of you might like it. Pic was takn in Bradford County Pa in 2003.

or one like this one

I have a co-worker that was part of PETA, she said she quit after she realized how freaking nuts they really are.

NFA, I added a kisser to my setup right around the time I had the issue with target panic, and it helped me to feel things a bit better, just a better anchor point. It also helped me with getting my form back when I take time off of shooting through the winter.

I guess it's a matter of degree. Of course you will never find a clean farm animal - even a lone cow on acres of green grass will have manure on it - I've seen that first hand plenty. I think the point of this film was that things have strayed too far from the natural order of things. I would agree with that. I'm sure there were/are some benefits to modern techniques including increases in life expectancy but you can only twist nature so far before things begin to break. However, while life expectancy may be advancing at the same time as the food programs have come in place doesn't necessarily mean they are a cause for the increase. From my understanding the main increase in average life expectancy is from the survival rate of children under 5 - which is probably caused more by medical improvements. Take that out of the equation and that average would come down quite a bit. While NY is not the midwest in terms of big crop farms, I'd still be interested to know of any farmers perspectives particularly with regards to Monsanto. That company has quite a bad reputation - even among my MBA classmates.

I don't know that I would wholly agree with you on that and this documentary makes the case that it is not so much a conscious choice but frequently a decision forced by government policies advocated by food industry lobbying. The individual is playing with a deck stacked by industry / government. First, if you watch this documentary they will allege that the government policies advocated by big food industries is literally destroying many old values. For example, they cite that Monsanto corporation was able to patent some plant genes - a first in the history of the world that was supported by a Supreme Court decision. That court decision was authored by Clarence Thomas a former Monsanto lawyer. It gets worse. As we all know plant pollen disperses on the wind so they had one farmer who never used Monsanto seeds, but since all his farming neighbors did that gene got into his crop. Monsanto is able to sue him for patent infringement and - according to the documentary - food corporation lobbying has made it the farmers obligation to prove that he is innocent. They had the case as still pending, but obviously he will be bankrupted by the legal fees even if he wins. Second, Monsanto has a team of investigators whose job it is to find farmers that are planting seeds with this patented gene that were not purchased from them. So, they find a guy that has a seed cleaning machine from the 1800's that has traditionally processed seed from a farmer's crops to be saved and planted the following year. Not allowed, so they sue him for "inducing" farmers to violate their patent. He's bankrupted by the lawsuit and get access to his list of farmer clients by subpeona of his bank records showing all his check payments. Finally, I live in an urban area and my many of my neighbors are as least as community oriented as the neighbors I grew up with in the suburbs.

Hunting isn't all about carrying a gun and doing the killing... I'm sure your boy would love the experience just because he's there doing it with you... maybe that experience will make him appreciate hunting for what it is really about

Thanks Eddie for the visual - just getting ready for dinner.

Yeah PETA may start a movement LOL!

"I think it should be up to the parent as to when the child is ready" ?????????????? I don't think so . There are a lot of stupid parents out there .