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And some hunters and gun owners in NY are stupid enough to vote for people like her.

Check out this quote from Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan. I can relate to this guy! Romney announces Ryan as his running mate "My dad died of a heart attack at 55, my grandfather at 57, so I've always had this incentive to stay healthy," he told CNN's Gloria Borger last year. And he is an avid hunter, as Green was reminded one day when he thought of reconnecting with his friend and sent an email from his post as U.S. ambassador to Tanzania. "I got this terse response saying, 'I'm sitting in a deer stand. It's hunting season. Leave me alone.'"

I'm not sure I really belong in the camp of opposing ARs, but I definitely have reservations. I have heavy concerns that logic, study, and research will not be used when determining where ARs are appropriate. In other words, I hear mostly that people are in favor of broad-brush application of ARs across the state and I have no doubt that eventually that's the way it will wind up. I have been arounddeer hunting, and deer hunters long enough to realize that not all deer populations are as thick as they are here in 8N. I also know from government publications that not all WMUs have antlerless permits issued in sufficient numbers to serve as alternatives to being forced to let the overwhelming bulk of the bucks walk by. Many issue no permits at all. I also am able to imagine myself put in the situations of those hunters that find themselves with no permits and then told that pretty much all the bucks that walk by are going to be illegal to harvest. Now I am not really in a position to be throwing away good license money and then being told that I am not eligible for a harvest, and I suppose I am not alone on that. So what I am seeing is the possibility of inappropriate AR mandates in certain WMUs that wind up frustrating even more hunters out of the activity. It's obvious that we don't really need more regs that do that. You want to implement ARs in our WMU? .... fine. We are almost always guaranteed to have permits issued (sometimes in bunches...lol). I doubt that I will ever find myself in the position of some of the other WMUs where hunters may wind up sitting in the woods realizing that nothing is going to walk by that they have the legal right to shoot. But if the day ever were to come that I faced the prospect of going into the woods with no reasonable possibility of success, that would be the day when I would spend my license money on something else. I can go sit in the woods anytime without paying money to do it.

Since you are keeping the bow , I will lock the thread . fe

"I do not know how many people were surveyed by the DEC and Cornell but I do know how they took the cross section of folks to do the survey on and it was appropriate and statically valid. As for the NYS Conservation Council I do not know how they picked the people to survey but when you have sportsmen themselves, Cornell and DEC all coming up with similar numbers doing different surveys it lends a lot of creditably." The cornell survey done on behalf of the DEC that you love soooo much showed something to the effect of 327 people in favor of AR in those areas that already had them. The other survey means little to me as it was not done in the same fashion as the DEC/Cornell survey. So how confident are you that 327 people represent the majority of hunters state wide? Keeping in mind there are, what 600,000 plus hunters in NY. If it were me I wouldn't tout majority rules based solely on 327 people. "Doewacker- how long have you been on the site- you have a lot of posts!" I don't know, maybe two years or so?

Whenever I hear that story about the majority of hunters wanting AR, I have to wonder why we even need it. And then I have to wonder why such a large percentage of yearling bucks still get harvested. One might think that either the surveys are flawed, bogus or manipulated, or that these supposed supporters of AR are more in love with the theory than the practice and don't put their actions where their mouth is, or that they are so weak willed that they need a state law to control their urges and force them to live up to what they are saying. And by the way, that thought also assumes that there are no hunters among the supposed minority that are opposed to AR that is not already using selective criteria in their harvests. That likely is not the case. So some rather large part of this so-called 67% of supporters simply are not walking the talk. Most likely it is people who think AR talk sounds good in front of their hunting buddies but in actual practice, don't believe it for a moment. Anybody ever come up with a justification of that contradiction? It's just a little nit, but I need an explanation.

November 6-12 every year, with out fail put in for your vacation now, just saying lol

Well it was too hot out today to do anything productive so in true "red-neck" form, i decided to detail my home-made field point target. Originally just had stickers or duck tape to aim at but this is much better. LOL. Got a bunch of fiber fill and gonna start a second target but only suitcase i came up with so far is a flower print thing. That's not going to work...