I had an old 3-D deer set at 30 yards , a new one at 20 yards and a block target at 10 yards . I have a slider one pin sight on my bow . I am well aware that if I don't bend at the waist , my arrows will be high soooooo , I bent at the waist at the 20 yard 3-D but didn't at the 30 yard 3-D . I was getting the same grouping . I know it's not the right way to do it but it eliminates moving the pin and it works . Hmmmmmmmm !