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Are you really that inane? The government's first priority is to protect it's citizens from the unlawful. Requesting they do just that isn't giving them more control, it's holding them accountable for doing exactly what they're supposed to control. That mall happened to be a "Gun Free Zone" and the hero was carrying there illegally. He was arrested and handcuffed at the scene and only released after the videos there were viewed and proved he was a hero. He resisted illegitimite government control. Thank God he did, because the abusive government control of guns there would have gotten many more people killed. I don't want more government control. I want the government to control only what the Constitution has approved it to. By your "Hear, hear" comment, it's obvious you support totalitarianism.

This is why we need more people like him in society, since the government continues to allow murderous psychos to live among us.

On day one, Biden signed a slew of executive orders massively regulating the domestic oil industry, from killing the XL pipeline, to cancelling drilling leases. Since then, he has continued to harass the oil industry in every way imaginable to increase the cost of production and lower the supply. How is it anyone doesn't know this? You have to be a low info voter to be so clueless.

You disagree? Please feel free to elaborate.

We fought a war in Afghanistan to eliminate terrorists that killed more than 3000 people on 9/11/01 and threatened the freedom of everyone in the US. We said we would never forget. Obviously many have. Korea was also fought to free the South Korean people. Grenada was fought to free captive students.

Legally, deadly force is only justified when the life of the person defending themselves is in immediate peril. Babbitt was 91 pounds and 5'2" tall. She was unarmed and climbing through a window. There were Capital Police on her side of the door that did not get involved. How is it that shooter felt he had to kill her? Was he not able to stop her in any other way? The simple fact here is protesters that are supported by leftists can do whatever they like with impunity, as the summer of 2020 proved when Democrats bailed them all out of jail and had all of their charges dropped, while prosecuting cops and Kyle Rittenhouse for defending themselves from killers. Protesters that oppose leftists in power will find the entire weight of the government used against them to the maximum extent. Simple trespassing will get them years in jail or killed, and those on the left consider that "equal justice under the law". It's done to intimidate any opposition to make them think twice about ever opposing the left's tyranny. Forget about criminals shot by cops while in the process of evading and resisting. That is an entirely different set of circumstances and doesn't relate to the riots in the summer of 2020 or the Jan 6th protest in any way.

The plan isn't to take guns away from anyone. The plan is to make the ones you have illegal for you to possess so you will voluntarily give them away, because the penalty for not doing is years in prison. I think that is something that concerns us all right now.

You need to work on your attention span.

Rob Maciol is with Curtis Morgan and 7 others at Government Offices State Office Building. July 13, 2022 At a news conference Wednesday, state Sen. Joseph Griffo, R-I-C-Rome, state Assembly members Marianne Buttenschon, D-Marcy, Brian Miller, R-I-C-New Hartford, Robert Smullen, R-C-I-SAM-Meco, and John Salka, R-C-I-Ref-Brookfield, and Oneida County Executive Anthony Picente Jr. joined with Madison County Sheriff Todd and I Hood to express concerns with gun-related legislation recently signed into law. The legislation significantly alters training procedures, licensing requirements and the background check process while also limiting where an individual may carry concealed. It was created by the governor and the leaders of the Senate and Assembly and was passed with the overwhelming support of the legislative majorities. While the legislators and law enforcement officials agreed that it is important to take proactive measures to address gun violence and related issues, they said that the legislation rushed through during the recent Extraordinary Session fails to address violence, especially illegally possessed guns, burdens local governments and businesses, creates confusion and infringes upon the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Sen. Griffo said, “We all want to end gun violence and we agree that there is a real need to get illegal guns off the street. However, the legislation passed by the legislative majorities in a nontransparent fashion and signed into law by the governor, which we and the public were given little time to scrutinize, is confusing and crafted without input from important stakeholders such as law enforcement. This legislation will further burden local governments, hurt small business owners and adversely affect the men and women throughout New York, especially those in upstate communities, who safely and responsibly utilize firearms.” Assemblyman Salka said, “The majority in the State Legislature has proven once again they care little for the opinion of those effected by their onerous legislation. Their latest law, restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves, was done without any input from law enforcement, district attorneys or good government groups. This is another example of Governor Hochul pandering to the extreme left to get elected and proves she has no regard for the ruling of the highest court in the land. Disgraceful.” Assemblyman Miller said, “Gov. Hochul’s rushed gun restriction laws have put an excessive burden on law-abiding citizens and will do little to curb the violence we as a society are truly concerned about, especially violence carried out byillegal firearms. There was no time afforded by the governor to have any public input from individuals, law enforcement, prosecutors or interested parties on either side of the conversation. My concerns about the hastily-crafted regulations remain, and Gov. Hochul is proving to be similar to her predecessor, Gov. Cuomo, when he misstepped with enacting the SAFE Act.” Assemblyman Smullen said, “These new firearm restrictions are the SAFE Act 2.0. Downstate politicians have egregiously usurped our constitutional right to bear arms and protect ourselves, which was just reinforced by the highest court in the land. The nation’s top court was clear, yet the governor and radicals in Albany are sending the message that they don’t believe in the U.S. Supreme Court. This law will be swiftly overturned.” Assemblywoman Buttenschon said, “Intelligent, effective policy requires the participation of all affected stakeholders. I voted against the recent gun legislation during the extraordinary session because it ignores every affected stakeholder in the 119th Assembly District. It’s expensive, unconstitutional and unenforceable. “ Oneida County Executive Picente said, “In the blind rush to be ‘first’ in the nation, we have another gun law that turns law-abiding citizens into criminals. Passed with no consultation with law enforcement or sportsmen, this is just another example of how out of touch Albany is with real New Yorkers.” Oneida County Sheriff Maciol said, “Unfortunately, New York State has once again quickly passed rushed through legislation without consulting any of the experts with expectation that these new laws will make our state safer, when in fact, they will do just the opposite. Pistol permit holders in New York are some the most upstanding, genuine, law abiding citizens and these laws will only affect them and not the criminals. I wholeheartedly believe that guns must only be in the hands of stable, law abiding citizens, but this is not the way to do it.” Madison County Sheriff Hood said, “This ill-conceived legislation strips away the rights of law-abiding citizens and makes our communities less safe. These new criminal justice laws were proposed and passed with no transparency and lacked important input from law enforcement agencies and other stakeholders. I’m not surprised. Over the last several years, we’ve seen flawed policies coming out of Albany like so-called bail reform that handcuff law enforcement and give more rights to criminals. I thank those legislators who stood against this nonsense and for protecting our communities.”

Dr. John Lott has a new piece at Real Clear Politics.

Look back through this thread and pay attention to how the lefties here desperately try to re-direct the subject from the original post. Bowman started it in his first post here. This is classic leftist avoidance and misdirection, because they cannot, and will not, discuss any subject they know they cannot defend and refuse to admit they support by default. Don't be distracted, keep them focused on the issue. It will certainly be a lot more entertaining.

With the price of ammo now, it's getting to be a pricey pursuit.

How long do you think that will be the case? Where will you move when it happens in CT?

The big difference here is every cop you guys are talking about was punished for it. The DC cop got a medal. Explain that lefties.

It's like they think we forgot they tried to pull off a violent, nationwide, Communist revolution in the summer of 2020.

So to sum it up, the SCOTUS said NY was violating Constitutional rights and NY responds with a "Hold My Beer" list of rights violations. Yet people will argue Democrats do not ignore the Constitution and hate the Rule of Law. Those folks don't seem to know the definition of "totalitarian".

And yet no matter how many times the leftists hear it, they still say it's not true and is not happening. Just proves they are the problem here.

That's now, and it isn't law yet. The last time it was tried under the SAFE the NYSP told Cuomo they wouldn't be able to do it. I don't think half of the crap Hochul is asking for will stand up to lawsuits either.