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When it comes to arguing with animal rights activitists, I always ask them if they favor abortion. If they are prochioce, there is no argument!

Anyone ever seen or shot a three legged deer. Years ago in Dutchess I killed a three legged 8 point buck on the last day of the gun season who presumably a year earlier had his left front leg shot off below its shoulder. The wound was completely healed over! The DEC officer at the check station was equally amazed that the deer survived.

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I own with my siblings property upstate which is used only in the summer and is closed up for the rest of the year. No hunting is permitted( family issue which I accept) but locals tresspass with impunity because of the fear of retribution by my siblings who have the power of attorney over the estate. It is what it is, and it is a viable concern on our part. The problem is that when our parents bought the property the former owners family and friends who hunted the land with impunity thought they stilled retained the right to hunt the land. Early attempts at regulating access to hunting the property never did work out and my siblings were reluctant and intimated to enforce the trespassing laws. In any event, the land will ultimately be sold and i will receive my share.

It sure looks like a goat, where is the bell? Congratulations!

Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have sen it. The doomsday clock is pretty neat too!

Ok, I will give it a try again!

Kill something for goodness sakes, the suspense is killing me!

Most all 7j/h is a mix of public and private land with intense pressure. Not even close to the equivelent of unit wide mandatory AR - lot's of young ones still get shot. There are a lot more hunters are choosing to let smaller bucks walk, but far from a majority. Those who do so are for the most part not shooting basket racked 6 and 8's most likely 2.5 and under either, which would be AR legal. They are after more mature deer and are wise enough to know that simply counting points tells them little in these areas. True - he would be a young, immature, and AR legal - and stand an excellent chance of not making it to 3.5. Years ago I killed a spike with 10" tines. I gave the jaw bone to the DEC biologists at the Kingston,Thruway check station. They aged the deer at 6 (six) years old!

Its important to keep an open mind concerning the long term effects of AR and to not jump to conclusions.The MS results ( and those of other states)are indeed worth considering and for any proponent/detractor of AR such findings are important. Short term results in many such deer management endeavors may be what they are and may not be beneficial over the long run. However the program in NY may perhaps be justified in the Pilot areas but not necessarily the entire state. The end usually justifies the means, I hope it works out for those in AR areas, but I for one I still consider the jury to be out. The issue of AR and its implementation from a deer management point of view (for the entire state) as we know is a difficult undertaking for it changes the DEC's historic program as to how they manage a deer population. Such changes cost money to implement, which the DEC does not have. Would the majority of hunters in NY be willing to finance a new and proactive approach to deer management? Probably not considering the state of the economy and if it we were, what guarantees would there be that the additional money generated from unpopular increased license fees would be earmarked for any additional programs? The DEC has made their statement considering additional AR restrictions (it has been posted numerous times), is it true, one can only wonder and argue (its okay) if they are right. Consider the the lower portion of the southern region of NY, IE Westchester, Rockland, Orange and Suffolk Counties, the deer population is out of balance with the habitat and the consequences of such an overabundance of deer are apparent. AR would be a mistake. The same scenario may apply to other DMU's. Its obvious that Deer Management priorities in NYS have become a contentious argument for many of us, but we are a vocal minority. Surveys undertaken to date are not representative of the the majority's opinion and should be considered as such. The DEC is at a crossroads, hunter satisfaction, aging hunter population, lessening license sale etc... vs their state mandate. The future of hunting in NY is unclear and one should hope they make the correct decision. In the end we as a hunting fraternity will pay.

Congratulations, nice deer!

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Its an interesting article. The second to last paragraph of the article pretty much sums up my concerns concerning AR. The one "one shoe fits all model" does not work for a diverse habitat. The program is inflexible to effectively manage the deer population and the results speak for themselves.

Retaliation is a real fear for the property owner, especially if he is not a year round resident. A guy I know had his house burned down several years ago after confronting trespasser's and having to call the police.

Hunting seaon certainly brings out those "whack jobs" in force!

Doc, it bears no resemblance to the font of a modern day NY Times article. In any event; the article is a pdf copied from microfilm. From the Internet, one can easily find many articles such as the one posted by erussel. Good post erussel +1 I surely discount your point Doc that is "likely a Pets inspired hoax".

Yeah, just like YOU want me to let the 1.5 year olds go for YOU so you can shoot them next year for a better overall hunting experience!! hahahaha! I am MORE than happy taking one deer a year, no matter what size it is. If I get a doe permit, two is my maximum since that is all the venison I really will use. Any other tag I still might have will remain stuck to the back tag. So you can do the math if you are capable of who wants more brown to be down between us. Perhaps we just send to him all our unused tags to satisfy his blood lust and need for excitement!

I wonder how many of those "Friends of Animals " folks are prochoice?

Great indisputable points, AR works and improves EVERYONES hunting experiance along with increasing the buck survival and age structure. I have been hunting for over 35 years and have no complaints and relish the opportunity to legally kill the deer of my choice and I have killed some very good bucks and have passed on many others. Why deny the common man of that opportunity or choice?

I will readily admit that the NYSDEC has failed in its effort to implement their mandate. Not because of incompetence, but because of the lack of funds.Clearly, the money does not exist to implement any kind of progressive deer management as is practiced in other states; be it successful or not. What we die hard NY hunters argue about is important; but the reality is that the status quo as it pertains to deer management will remain in place, with some changes which we as a group will pay for in the end. The easiest deer management strategy for the DEC is to kill as many deer as possible and that may never change. Its very easy for some to propose and espouse a better mouse trap and never if ever consider the overall cost and how it benefits the majority of hunters, or the deer herd and the habitat. NY hunters as a whole are representative of a paper tiger, we have no political clout and perhaps we never will. As a group we certainly have dropped the ball!

I truly believe that its the wind direction that makes all the difference.

I find it interesting that so many of us are sucked into believing the marketing BS. These products do not guarantee or promise results per say. They only say that perhaps these products will help. Caveat Emptor!

Clearly, AR as a tool is not an effective way to manage a deer population. It just postpones/commutes the death sentence or those fork horns and spikes. AR is difficult to manage state wide, especially on public land. It is easier to implement on private property. Why cant they manage 1 1/2 year old 5 ,6, 7 and up? its all about the racks and not the age of the deer. Trophy hunting and marketing have eroded the true meaning of what hunting was all about.