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  1. But only for the very caring parental bears of the southern zone. They realize the Northern zone is filled with less than ideal parents bears and that is why they allow you to shoot them out of a group up there. They probably know they are better of on their own that to learn the poor northern zone habits.

    and unless I'm mistaken, I believe they are born while the mother is hibernating, and then stay with her and go back into the den with her for a second time, that's why bear only produce offspring every other year....they mature much slower and require more care to make it through their first year.

  2. If I have enough tags , I will take them all..

    It breaks my heart to split up the family...

    that's probably the best solution.........sometimes after I shoot the Doe and I want to get it taken care of right away, I tell the fawn "don't go anywhere, I'll be right back"........they usually listen.

  3. I have one rifle that shoots very well the first 3 shots or so.....after that it starts to "walk" off the paper.........I'm fairly confident this is due to the thin barrel heating up, there is a possibility that any rifle having these accuracy issues is do to the shooter putting too many rounds through without letting it cool down....just a thought.

  4. Nah..I get it..Top to Bottom..The way i see it is on these 700 acres there only needs to be one top dog. All new comers will be eliminated.

     

    But i would say that if there ever was a place to do up to date research then this would be it. Over on Drum there is a fenced in area called the Cantonment area, They have even found their way onto there with an 7ft fence all around it. Now during hard times they can get into solders garbage and such and live like a California coyote.They are by no means a stupid animal and are a formidable foe.

    does Fort Drum allow any hunting at all?

  5. or instead of handing you an accordion of tags when you first buy your license, limit that # and only give the additional out after you report or check in your deer.........but, all that extra work on the hunters and issuing agents part would go over like a lead balloon.

  6. Reporting a kill is mandatory, so you already can assume unreported tags are unfilled. I'm sure they statistically adjust for non compliance

    I think that roughly only 50% of successful hunters report their kill, that alone tell's you they don't take the "mandatory reporting" too seriously.........

  7. I guess if it ever came to mandatory reporting regardless of success, they could always suspend a hunting license for failure to do so....probably not much different then suspending a drivers license or registration for the variety of reasons they do, there is no fine in most cases and the only time you would be fined is if caught driving with the suspended status in effect...

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  8. I would think their angle would be the tagging, not so much the health component.

     

    Just not sure how you could get compliance from them to do that, and as Culver said, without implementing a tax on it.

    yeah, it pretty much looks like it's a free for all as far as the butcher shops go....I couldn't find anything that requires them to do any type of record keeping. I think the legit places that have actual year round businesses probably document it somehow to avoid getting stuck with someone's illegal deer, but the others who just pop up really have no interest in that.

  9. Maybe because it's a food item you might be able to... as a health issue.  Not sure.

    http://smallfarms.cornell.edu/2012/07/07/slaughtering-cutting-and-processing/

    I think it's only regulated when it's processed in a real slaughterhouse with farm raised animals, other than that there appears to be no regulations on deer butchering as far as I could see. the above link gives you more info then you'd ever need on slaughtering and butchering...and that's pretty much just for USDA health concerns, nothing as far as documenting what's coming and going.

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  10. Can they legally force butchers to do that?

     

    That's an interesting concept.

    I don't know...but the one taxidermist I use puts the tag # on the receipt for all deer brought in regardless of whether it's a mount or butcher job. I know many people butcher their own, but I bet thousands are processed by butchers, some of the bigger shops process quite a few. I have no idea if it's even regulated, the majority of the small places that pop up for the season certainly wouldn't pass a USDA inspection.

  11. sounds like the ammo checks...lol

     

    how do you take into account the many many folks that butcher their own? seems to be a growing trend with process pricing getting so high and imposing rags on processors will only push that higher and send more folks to cutting their own.

    DEC already pays visits to Deer Butchers, so why not have them record  what comes in? I realize a lot of people butcher their own deer, and probably just as many don't......people are looking for ways to get more accurate harvest data so why not?, it's not really a matter of who butchers their own deer, it's a matter of finding ways to get a more accurate harvest #.

  12. "I will say this though..for all the talk these initial companys have on setting aside decommissioning funds...most of that is just a drop in the bucket as to the real cost to get rid of them when they no longer are cost effective...so who do you think these towns will go after to accomplish this? I'm figuring the land owners"

     

    and when that company declares bankruptcy!  then let the fun begin

    might be time to start up a business that dismantles and removes them.......probably a few bucks worth of scrap metal as well.

  13. I look at the super labor intensive way that DEC personnel go about coming up with a harvest count, and it seems that in this age of computers, and automated hunter provided reports, a much simpler and cheaper system could be utilized. Think about DEC personnel running all over the countryside visiting processors, hunt camps, taxidermists and such, writing down data, then inputting all that data into computers and then eventually coming up with estimates of harvests along with estimates of reporting rates (which always seem to have some credibility questions).

     

    Computers are used in buying licenses, so the DEC computers already know who's got licenses and permits. We already do our reporting via computerized phone input or P.C. inputting. So the DEC computers are already fed the input by hunters. If the reporting rules were changed to require that every license or permit issued had to be reported (successful or not) a simple computer count would tally up the numbers, and a simple computer sort would identify exactly how many hunters did not report and exactly who it was that broke the reporting laws. Want to go further with this technology? How about automatic reminder (warning) mailings, followed by automated tickets for those that ignored the reminder. The only DEC manpower required by the whole process would be the software writers that it takes to set up the process. In fact that would be paid for by those that refuse to abide by the reporting laws. I'll guarantee that almost all reports would be sent in, particularly if next year's licenses and/or permits were contingent on compliance.

    can't be any more difficult then what DMV does as far as tracking everyone's drivers license, registration and insurance status...

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