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I would kill it. Pie bald genetics are inferior and bad for the herd. Its not just a lot of white in the coat, its also a whole lot of other inferior traits. Short legs, under developed lower jaws, smaller body size, etc.
that's true......I shot a piebald doe a bunch of years ago, very strange body on it.
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There is a rationale I have heard a number of times on this forum that I need to address. It is the claim that if a practice is legal, that it is also ethical. I find this deeply flawed. Using this line of argument, going squirrel hunting with 10 rounds in the magazine of my 10-22 is unethical. (The SAFE Act says I can only have 7). On the other hand, using snare to restrain a bear in Maine is ethical. A hungry family killing a deer out of season is unethical. Unloading a semi-auto at a running deer during the season, wounding it and making only a modest effort to find it is ethical.
It is quite easy to take this line of reasoning beyond hunting. It is quite legal to raise pigs and cattle in CAFOs. That is why commercial meat is so cheap. This is disturbing and unethical. For anyone who eats meat yet considers hunting unethical, the deer we kill each had a good life and “one bad day”. The confined cattle and pigs live a life of misery, wallowing in their own crap.
We need a higher standard of ethical behavior than just legality.
if you want to move beyond ethics as it pertains to hunting, this thread is going to explode.............and see, putting 10 rounds in the magazine is ILLEGAL, and snaring bear in Maine is LEGAL.....no ,debating either of those two facts, are they ethical? that's up to you to decide.
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to me, the guy who goes fishing and keeps his limit every time, just because he can is unethical, as is a guy who spots a deer while driving, parks and walks down the road gets the legal minimum off the roadway and kills it, or the guy who fills every deer tag just because he can, and then goes and dumps them all at some donation center.......only because I don't need to hunt or fish for food and don't see the need for anyone else who hunt's or fishes for enjoyment to do the same..........now you take a guy who needs that animal/fish for food, and I change my opinion on what is ethical.
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that looks like an open, festering wound with a flap of skin hanging down.
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and on a nearby tree, scrawled in blood were the words "if it's brown it's down"...........and legend has it, that on a clear, cold night, you can hear a "man child" crying softly.....eerie but true.
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....and then when he got back to his deer, he cut the other antler off and put a consigned doe tag on the carcass and will return tomorrow for a bigger buck!
or maybe he realized it was "black friday" and if he was late getting home to shop with his wife she would cut his head off! so he made a hasty retreat leaving stuff behind!
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Got it done back to back with the muzzleloader!
All misspellings courtesy of iPhone
quite possibly the best picture of the year! great job.
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Oh man do I ever love a post where we get to use our imaginations and let them run wild!
Here's what I think could have happened...
New guy to hunting shoots his first buck, and he's so excited! He fills out his tag immediately and sticks it in his pocket.(per law he's not reqired to attach tag just yet)
He proceeds to gut the animal moments later just the way he read it was supposed to be done on line.
He then realizes he forgot a piece of rope, or a drag to get this carcass out of the woods and he begins to panic someone else will steal his kill if he leaves it abandoned... he also read that on line,lol
So his next step is to try to salvage the antlers by hacking them off before he realizes he just cut off a dragging handle and maybe he should save the entire head.
He packs up his saw and the one antler he cut loose to show everyone back at home when he finally comes to the conclusion he has no idea what he's supposed to do next.
He marks his carcass kill location with his orange vest to make sure he can find it when he returns with help to get his deer out.
He gets turned around on his way back to the truck and what should have been a 15 minute hike turns into an hour.
When he finally reaches the truck and sees his cell phone battery is dead, he proceeds to make the 40 mile trip back home to see if his neighbor can give him a hand getting his trophy back home.
4 hrs later he makes it back to his kill with help..
..... stranger things HAVE happened before we all start jumping to conclusions!
and then?.....
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Im thinking that YOU scared him off ,lose the blaze orange so you won't see him sneak off.
the plot thickens............dun dun dun.
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The Owner does is not released from liability for any damages caused by their animals just because they found a way outside of the fence. My thought is that any of today's light-weight vehicles going highway speeds that hits a buffalo is likely to fare well with such an encounter and a fatality is perhaps likely.
The same results would apply to a confused and ornery buffalo that might take into his mind to squash a person regardless of the circumstances.
I am not sure what the penal law says about all of that, but you would certainly think that the plaintiffs in a civil suit would have a pretty strong case for a substantial award. I would think that alone would make the owner of the animal very happy to have someone put it down for them.
I'm pretty sure the NYS Penal Law says nothing about that.........civil liability and the ECL may be another story.
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why would "you" do this, or why would "someone" this?
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serial killer, no doubt....
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the defense of the kid.....we really don't know the full story. If he made a lousy shot then I can't really say that he should get it.
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don't be against buying a high end bow that is a year or two old, you can potentially save yourself a few hundred bucks......I have a Hoyt Alphamax that has got to be 6 years old..............I just had new cables and stings put on it for about $200 and now it shoots as good as the day I bought it,it cost me about $1000.00 to buy it brand new fully set up and I don't see ever having the need to spend that kind of money again. I could have saved about $500 if I bought it used at a year old. The only thing I would look at is if the warranty is transferable. There's a few really good company's out there so do some homework.
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Decided to do a rug with the mouth open like snarling face, unfortunately still living at home means limited space.
but it also means more pocket change...
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Hoyt.
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looks like we're getting towards the end of the season and people are getting desperate.........dare I say the "if it's brown it's down" phase of the year?
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I da ho ? U da ho
Never see that sign here or Idaho as it's a digitally altered , and only exists in the internet.
yup.......
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He had asked me last week if I could use another deer, to which I replied yes. He already donated one to the state and told him I would have taken that one too. I don't quite get it myself. But I do know plenty of people locally that would love to have some venison. I may acually give it to a friend anyway. I still have 2 tags left.
it would be nice if local churches or food pantries had a list of local residents who would want a deer.........I hate to say it, but dropping deer off to some random butcher with me having no idea what happens after I drop it off doesn't sit well with me, after seeing what goes on in this Country as of late I'm not too sure I'd want to put food in the mouths of some.
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That's CAMP ..??...
Holy mackerel, Lee, that place could accomodate at least 48 Mexicans !
What area in PA are you in ?
haha...no kidding!
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sorry, but I was never a fan of crossbows being introduced into archery season.........won't fight it, but I won't help it's cause.
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do more scouting next year.....I plenty of people who hunt DEC land on the Island with numerous deer sightings.
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I've used the Mr Buddy heater.....definitely better than no heater at all.
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There's nothing interesting about that, it states without the landowners permission. I thought all of us with a lease were courteous enough to ask first...
that's right up there with "No Littering" signs.......it's hard to believe that people need to be told not to dump their garbage.
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"a race to the bottom" that's a good way of putting it...there will always be those who use the law to gauge how low they will go........."4 drinks and I"m too drunk to drive, so let me suck down 3.5 and drive home"......sad that people use it to see exactly what they can get away with before landing themselves in trouble