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I think that drawing a bow without being detected is quite possibly one of the greatest challenges of bowhunting , that and having to hold at full draw waiting for the right shot to present itself...those two, and being able to rest your crossbow on your knee or shooting rest as you watch your target make that slow approach from 100 yards away, are the biggest differences between longbows and crossbows...............
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better yet, take the two earlier weeks that were given to archery and designate them primitive bow only and give the old season dates to modern bows...I'll be more than happy to get a recurve for those two earlier weeks and pick up my compound afterwards and you can use your crossbow if you so choose.
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Again, if you think gun season style drives, etc are going to be effective with a crossbow, you are either delusional or just have no clue about it.
If you think less hunters participating is good for the sport, I say you have no idea what you are talking about.
As far as giving them one week? Really? Just more complications. Going on that logic, compounds should only get a week as well. The rest of bow season should be left to True Archery.
of course I know what I'm talking about, it's MY OPINION.......I don't recall stating any fact anywhere in my post......and yes I would have no problem giving traditional archery a shot before all the rest, much like I feel traditional muzzleloaders are a different animal than the inlines that are now considered muzzleloaders.......and if someone's participation in the sport hinges on whether or not they can use a certain weapon, then yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about............like I said before, why not just have a "deer season" and tell everyone you're allowed to get your deer anyway you want?
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since archery season was given the Oct. the 1st opener, why not give crossbow the week before the opener of regular season? I'm all for everyone having a chance to use their weapon of choice in some capacity.
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This entire thing has absolutely nothing to do with x-bows being listed as a "legal implement"
It has everything to do with just one thing and that is deer hunting period and how many ppl that others care to see or not see during deer seasons and the i9mpact of more bodies out in the fall woods will have on deer movement and behavior...
If you ask and get honest answers a majority of..NOT ALL... ppl will say they went into bow season to get away from the craziness of gun season and to be safer....They stay and expand their bow hunting for a number of reasons after that...
In all these endless pages of forum posts how many have said.... I want to have x-cross bow for turkey ...predator...small game...please show me those many posts and I'd say OK the issue isn't deer season but having another hunting implement...there's a challenge for ya...PS...my posts don't count in that tally..
Take deer season out of the equation and I'd bet even money...... they'd be allowed in NYS by now
I'll agree with you.........I didn't take up or stick with bowhunting because it's more challenging, I enjoy the quietness and solitude of it, the less people I see out there, the more I enjoy myself..........the same reason I've gotten more involved in the late muzzleloader season.
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I call BS... it does not extend your effective range only the ease of shooting that far... there are ppl who kill deer/elk at 50 or 60 yrds w a bow... I know some of them................so you agree it makes things easier? kind of a silly statement if you ask me.
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My thoughts if you want to allow the handicapped more opportunity by allowing use of what a few consider non archery equipment, why not allow them to use other non archery tools such as guns? Either they are archery or not.
if using a crossbow was considered true archery I might agree.
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I find it kind of like false advertising. The implement MUST be classified as a legal implement if it is ever to be included anywhere in any season. Including for disabled. This bill give the DEC the autority to regulate. But this bill is NOT about inclusion in bow season.
right, but I'm assuming the anti crossbow people feel that if DEC is given the regulatory authority to govern the use of crossbows in any season, their ultimate intention is to put them in archery season, thus getting their foot in the door to push it into archery season.
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That is my point. If you are against cross bows in archery then oppose this bill that is not about including crossbows in archery? It is about it becoming a legal implement. the title should be if you are against crossbows.
my guess is the anti crossbow people feel if they give an inch, they will eventually lose a yard, and the pro crossbow people feel if they gain an inch they will eventually gain a yard.....sadly they will never sit down and come to a compromise.
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http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=S01699&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Text=Y&Votes=Y
Where in this bill does it say it is for crossbows during archery?
I don't think it does, that's why this thread is titled "if you're AGAINST crossbows during archery season.".......it's not a pro crossbow bill.
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for some disabled hunter's, just getting into the woods is more of a challenge then any of us will ever face................I say we need to make changes to the laws governing crossbow use for the physically challenged.
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From DEC's Website.........."DEC's goal is to eradicate Eurasian boars from the state's landscape. In New York, people with a small game hunting license may shoot and keep Eurasian boars at any time and in any number. All other hunting laws and firearms regulations are still in effect when shooting Eurasian boars. If you are in an area that prohibits the use of rifles during big game seasons, you cannot use a rifle to shoot Eurasian boars during any open deer season (including archery seasons). Please remember that it is illegal to discharge a firearm within 500 feet of a school, playground, church, dwelling, farm building, or occupied structure. You need to obtain permission of the landowner to enter any lands you do not own."
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if you decide to go with a 20 gauge 870, get the adult size.....I have a youth stock my son has outgrown, more than willing to hook you up with it.
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my son shoots a 20 gauge 870, get the full size gun and buy a youth stock to put on it....a lot cheaper than buying another gun.......and to be quite honest, 20 gauge isn't only a good starter gun, but can pretty much get the same job done as a 12 gauge.............the 870 is a great gun and won't break the bank.
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the bottom line is baiting / feeding is illegal in NY......end of argument as far as NY is concerned.
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I hope not.
As much as I hunt predators, I would not care to hunt them in the summer heat. I think it would educate them further and therefore hunting them would be even more difficult. Summertime and scent free doesn't work and yotes will be the first to wind a stinky hunter.
As someone mentioned before, they are a furbearing animal. A proposition for a year round season would be met with a sizeable opposition from fur trappers/hunters and NYSTA. Waging a confrontation with fellow PRO hunting people/organizations is pointless. Organizations like NYSTA fight for better hunting/trapping opportunities, like the new bobcat season in the southern tier.
Look at it this way, anti hunters dont want any animals (including yotes) to be hunted so they raise hell about it, that is until their little pet gets consumed out in their backyard! Maybe that will change their tune!.
I have two dachshunds that I can't educate..I couldn't imagine trying to educate a wild dog.....Lol
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See, that's what makes me crazy when it comes to the subject of baiting. Deer are apparently quite easily domesticated, or at least semi-domesticated, as per your experience with feeding. Is that the kind of thing that we think is right in the name of hunting? For some reason that just rubs me completely the wrong way. Maybe it shouldn't, I don't know, but it just does. I keep thinking that if a guy can't get his deer without changing the wild nature of the critter, what the hell does that say about his hunting ability? And if the mature bucks that come into bait are fewer in number, it occurs to me that that may simply be a case of there being a whole lot fewer of them. And of course as you pointed out, nobody says that those involved with baiting are really after the trophy animals. In most cases (according to harvest records)any deer will do. Just pick out a nice fat one .... lol.
and as in my earlier post about my friends non-hunting parents who fed the deer regularly, the 1 or 2 deer who came on a daily basis, quickly turned into 8-10 who would come to eat and before long just saw no reason to leave....they would bed within sight of the house and after awhile, had little fear of humans.....to say that baiting doesn't affect deer movement and throw off their natural habits is ridiculous.
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Obviously. I agree with all that but playing devils advocate for a moment, I have to point out that the demonization of coyotes among deer hunters and turkey hunters is nearly complete. I think there would be an awful lot of support among nearly all hunters if anyone were to suggest that coyotes be targeted for extinction or at the very least a all year hunting season .... lol. I think the arguments have already been made ... to the point where it wouldn't be all that difficult to pass that year around season for coyotes, logic and facts be damned. Ha-ha ... the little guys get a free pass. The foxes, coons, possums, mink, weasels, etc. have not been the subject of the massive hate campaign so the pressure is off them.
yes, a coyote caught on a trail camera carrying away a fawn has a bigger impact than a raccoon that's never seen eating an entire nest of turkey eggs.
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There's a lot of very understanding ECO's and Police Officer's out there that are not looking to bust balls about petty stuff, probably a lot more than one's looking to split hairs and dig for a violation...but, if you're walking the line of what may be considered illegal, I'd be careful.
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the "he himself would have no problem with it", say's enough.....not every ECO has that same view................unless you're told outright it's legal, I'd be a little wary.
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there's a lot of destructive wildlife out there that impact our game species, my guess is the turkey population takes a big hit from to fox, raccoon, opossum, you name it...but there's hardly an outcry to open year round seasons on them.......I think it would be a tough argument to be allowed to single out the coyotes, especially since deer are far from an endangered species.
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Sorry ..... I'm not buying it. Yes, just like any strategy in hunting, you can always find a few examples of those that don't know what they are doing. So what? That still doesn't mean that it isn't effective and an huge advantage. As far as it being more effective in one state and not in another, that makes a nice sounding theory but it is not terribly believable or convincing.
back when feeding deer was legal, I could go months without putting food out, and as soon as a pile of corn was dumped on the lawn we would have deer coming in all times of day to eat......maybe not mature bucks, but does and smaller bucks came in like crazy..........it would get to the point where if we saw a doe near the house, I could walk past her, go to the shed, get the food and dump the corn 20 yards from her...........to say it offers no advantage is silly, especially if your looking to shoot any deer.
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If during the trial period, there is even one single incident of a rifle bullet entering a house, or any kind of close calls involving residents, or any such similar incident, fatality or not, even if the same thing could have happened with a shotgun, I would fully expect that that would be the end of rifles in the county forever. Any fatalities that have a look of "long distance" to them, I will guarantee would also have the same result. There are people who have gone along with this only because they had no data of any sort to effectively oppose it. So let's just hope that nothing foolish happens. It won't take much to turn the tables on all of this. Believe me, we who actively supported this change are in a tiny minority. It is only happening because of the usual apathy among those who are either neutral or opposed to the idea. Let's hope that nothing happens to energize that majority.
I think the threat of a long range accident is minimal.......even in the counties were rifles have always been legal, most accidents are close range, and the majority are from people in the same hunting party.
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Late to the party I know....I don't have a crystal ball either, what I do have is life experience.
I ve had guys call to do some last minute shooting and had little or no ammo on hand for a gun or 2 .
I've watched politicians from King Andy's Dad on down come after guns.I saw Obama elected TWICE .
I jumped on the .380 craze a few years back and could buy one box on ball ammo with the gun for thirty some dollars....
I remember buying reloads for 5 bucks a box,getting 50 cents back when I turned the cases back in. Hum could it be ammo will always trend up? Who could have thought that ?
Crap it was in the '80 s when we were visiting the great state of AZ that my wife suggested we buy some handguns there,so NYS would not know of them, even an almost non gun person knew they would not stop coming after our guns . note the word suggested...... In case anyone out there wants to collect the $500 reward!
I don't line up at stores, I buy bulk ammo when I can , sure smooths out the bumps in the supply chain.
buying handguns out of state and smuggling them back to NY so no one would know about them.........interesting thought...note I said "thought".
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no thanks....