Five Seasons

I bought some beartooth camo wrap for my browning gold edition deer hunting shotgun when I was like 17. To put the sleeve on the forearm I had to remove it. Some how while doing this my extractor became loose. opening day that morning loading a shell i look down and it's gone. no way to cock the gun. i search with a flashing light for 30 minutes at the base of the stand and no luck. I call my uncle who actually saved the hunt by suggesting i stick my knife in there to pull the mechanism back. worked perfect and i was able to chamber a round.

The car was a gift to his son... And I wish I could resell the jet engines we make. They go for millions.

I know are popular out west because of their open terrain. Anyone here use them? Anyone in the hard woods?

that's what you guys are missing. No company allows you buy vast quantities with a discount. I sold appliances for sears during college. They tracked what you bought with your discount. I've seen people get walked out and our discount wasn't even that good. They monitor it. You know this and you pay the consequences. My uncle did that with an old car my dad gave his nephew. I don't think my uncle was being unethical as much as he was just being a douche but he fixed up the free car and sold it. My dad and him had their words and now my dad will probably no longer be generous. I know ethics, morals, values are all very similar. But again, to me ethics is how you handle gray laws or unwritten rules. I'm not sure this is gray and that was my point. Lets take this scenario for example. Deer hunter wounds deer. Finds wounded deer and instead of putting him out of his misery has a dance around suffering deer until he eventually dies. Pretty unethical but not illegal. Why? Because the deer is suffering from the hunters actions. Who in the OPs scenario is suffering? (keeping in mind what phade mentioned about companies and their discount policies). Nobody got hurt when my uncle sold the car either, but it was a douche move. mabye it's tomato tomoto?

I know the point you were trying to make, and I don't want to nit pick, but even the horn hunter that I am getting my measurement stick out is the furthest thing from my mind when standing over a kill. To be honest, the thought and image of a hunter standing over a buck not even field dressed with his Rackalator bothers me.

I agree with your statement, I just don't think it's black and white to why bow hunters prefer bucks. I've tried to express it in words and it might not always come out. I just believe the archer is a more serious passionate deer hunter. One who started with the gun. Loved it so much that he saw an opportunity to hunt more and took up bow hunting. The meat hunter can almost always fill his freezer during gun/mz. So there's no need to invest the time and money to be a successful archer. Just my .02, but I believe the idiots at the DEC need to take some statistics classes because you need to understand all the variables in your data on why a bowhunter is primarily a buck hunter before you make idiot regulation changes.

i've been scouring gunbroker for the camo versions for a while now. Occasionally they pop up sub $300 but i never seem to get them.

Still don't see the ethical issue. It's a risk that almost always results in loss of employment. To me an ethics issue is one where someone is hurt without any consequences or violating an unwritten rule. Here there are well documented rules and clear punishment for them. Making a few bucks off of dicks does not harm anyone. If you think it does you've never worked for a major corporation or do not understand business.

Not an Obama fan but the vacation criticism bothers me. We're all entitled to relaxation or we'd be all burned out and ineffective.

I think more hunters do this than not. I usually have a plan when I go out. Either I'm buck only hunting, or I'm open to take a doe. All dependent on everything everyone else said.

How about a 2 week January doe only season using any weapon? Who does that hurt?

For what it's worth, our rut is around Christmas time and the season goes till 1/31. It's a ghost town unless you're hunting plots.

Some guys make it seem so easy. Some times it is. Some of us hunt some pretty hilly steep areas or thick spots without quads. Some have long drives home. Some live in apartments or don't have a barn or garage. The easy part is pulling the trigger. The real work always starts after.

If it was a corporation they'd be paying the ultimate price. But who holds the government accountable? As an environmental engineer I've studied these plums. There is no fixing them. Even money cannot solve them.

I believe the overall point of this thread is that he can legally do it, but shouldn't be surprised if he's terminated. It is amazing when we term people where I work though. They're just so shocked. always.

not a lot of guys have the space, equipment or time to process deer. But it's a great point you bring up. It's very warm here in Mississippi and we open on 10/1. For the very reason you mentioned I had to get myself set up to do it in my garage. Here's what "I" did. a big game hoist and gambrle ($30) big game digital game scale ($40) 2x6 and wood screws and i bolt ($15) bike cable lock ($10) processing kit ($40) plus knives already owned vac sealer ($90) grinder ($180) cut a hole in the garage drywall ceiling, reinforced vertical beams with a horizontal 2x6, screwed ibolt into beam, wrapped bike lock as a safety measure if bolt fails, hung gambrle from bolt/cable. Installed removable panel to close off hole when not in use. It wasn't a big chore, but it's a process you have to commit to doing. You need the equipment that wont pay back immediately and you need the time and knowledge on how to process. I wish I had a better pic but can't find one. Gives you the idea anyhow of the suburban hunter's setup. Point is, not all of us have "hunting camp" right around the corner

I don't think anyone here is hiding the fact that we want to shoot bucks if we can. If that's a bad thing, than so be it I guess. Personally, this site is high and mighty about not judging other hunters. So if I'm judged for horn hunting that's hypocritical. I always eat what I kill. I do feel better and enjoy a nice buck kill more than a flathead. I wont lie about that. Yes there are probably too many doe where I hunt, so if I can be picky and not "risk" shooting an early season doe than I wont. The key term is risk. Harvesting a deer early can lead to the opportunity of spoiled meat. So if I can avoid it, I will. The reward outweighs the risk for me when it comes to bigger bucks. Mostly because I only get a few chances a year at them, where as doe are almost a daily occurrence. Some may not like that answer, but those are my cards on the table. Furthermore I don't always cut up my own deer. Smiths Processing in Marion is closed on the weekends during bow. So an early saturday kill will hang till monday and then I need to be late to work to drop him/her off. The 8 point I posted had to be wrapped and iced all weekend. I'm not doing that for a doe I could easily take and drop off during gun.

I've always felt though that the deer know when they're the target. Tell me you don't see a difference in deer pasterns when gun opens up? Yes a lot of that is increased human presence, but there's something to the bangs as well.

bangs during archery ruins the whole archery experience. if it comes to that, why not just start rifle on 10/1 and go till christmas?

how is it theft? Can I not ever sell something I rightfully buy? Keeping in mind I pay taxes on the income. I sold knives for cutco for a few weeks. You buy a cheap salesman set. They tell you if you resell them you loose your job. Fair enough. After I quit I sold them on ebay and made maybe $60. They contacted me because they watch ebay and let me know I was no longer allowed to sell their knives, which is fine because I had quit. To me that was all fair.

ah for some reason i was thinking barret .50 cal haha.

boo culver. boo!

Am I the only one who wont shoot a doe with yearlings? I can't tell you how many times I've had family groups that I refused to shoot for that very reason. You can't force me to do something I just wont feel good about. Shot a very mature doe 2 years ago with the mz. 2 yearling doe with her. One ended up coming back and watched as I gutted her. I had felt at the time out of the 5 doe, taking 1 wouldn't be an issue so I took the shot for the freezer. 2 weeks later after a lot more snow I found the yearling dead 10' from where the mature doe died. Never again.

I'm in the same boat. To take an early season doe the conditions have to be right. Preferably it's a morning hunt so I don't have to fuss around with night time nonsense. I would want an ideal shot and be at a stand with a relatively easy drag. A hot day isn't good for hanging, I try not to take any bad shots, but we all know we take less than ideal shots at good bucks. I don't like tracking in the dark unless I have to and I would prefer to pick a day where I have some time to cut her up. Most of these aren't an issue later in the year and that's why I tend to take doe then. Additionally if I do end up with 2 bucks, that doe or 2 is too much meat for us. Yes I'm blessed to see deer almost every sit and I can understand that's not what everyone experiences.