tuckersdaddy

my mistake, your location says LI. and yes if you think about it N. america is an island! lol Well that changes everything, your right in the heart of it as am I. The link i posted earlier are drill sites that are proposed, or permits have been filed for in chenango. i believe its for norris only, and there are other companies involved as well. now is the time to do your homework and ask questions. the gas companies are telling you who, what, where, and why, the question is just when.

ahhhh..... there is the quandary. we must not trample on the property rights of those who wish not to have drilling, but what about the property rights of those who wish to use their natural resources? how often do you hear of this much protesting when a gravel bed is put in? when the dredges dig down to the water table and open it up to the atmosphere, the potential for contamination is tremendous, and often unmonitored. i find it disgusting when a property owner (and the state) decide to pick a section of woods and clear cut it, with complete disregard for erosion. and the eyesore of the madison county wind farms it not appealing. But the fact of the matter is its not my land. that is what the property owners decided to do. so be it.

Start with the basics... find out how much of the island is even drillable? my guess is not a whole lot if any. if its not drillable then you have a non issue.

oh but we had polaroid! I still have a polaroid of my college roommate that gets me anything i may need from him!

most anyone with a 401k plan have financial ties to energy companies. Yes some politicians actually had real jobs before getting into politics. Oh and Dick Cheney resigned the ceo position to become vice-president, took a hell of a pay cut too......

'Take our bribes or we'll screw you'..... So the lease salesman lays out the whole plan to the area, tells the people in the area who gets paid for what, and what the rates are... So why should i feel sorry for them? they didnt have to say yes. many areas and townships have said no. The house isnt unsellable. real estate is about the package. sure if they want top dollar and retain the gas royalties it wont sell. if the royalties go with the property, the values increase accordingly. neighbor relations are neighbor relations. it dosent matter if its a gas well, gravel bed, clear cutting trees, a pig farm, or just an annoying donkey, their property is theirs, mine is mine,and the fence companies stay in buisness.

Doc, a much higher standard of proof is whats needed. And since the gas companies are a profit driven enterprise (god forbid), by forcing them to ante up before hand, their profits will be tied up unless they do their jobs correctly. as far as the antis? some are motivated by a true convictions. these are the same people that fight every non-natural use of the environment. they are the people who refuse man made pesticides, fertilizers and the such, and they always stick to their convictions. These folks i have respect for. many are told within our liberal biased education system that gas is bad, go stir the pot, and since they act like sheep and cant think for themselves they follow the lead. Some want the notoriety by becoming youtube celebs. some want to 'get back' at the gas companies because their neighbors may have gotten a 'better deal'. So far very little anti-science has been brought forward. I would love to hear hard facts like shale is poris below 25 microns and frack fluid is 15 microns, but it dosent exist. Everything out there for the antis is emotion driven, not fact driven. meat first is why people support drilling, it has help put his kids through school, and heats his new (and very nice) hunting cabin. Mike is correct, only a few will become jed clampit, but many will get an economic boost.

"anyone can buy gun powder unrestricked"........where? i cant even get a pound......

love in the spring time.....gotta love it!

I caught this post before you took it down. you should have left it. the only thing that made me take notice was the statement that cuomo, and obama are profracking. there more like pro who giving me votes and lining my pockets . if both were profracking we would be having this conversation, we would be complaning about the trucks running up and down the road. you know cuomo has the political will to do it or there wouldnt be a safeact, no one wanted that. i believe there may be some form of corperate ethics happening, or they would have just payed for him to become president and drilled away. or they thought cuomo would be just a bad investment. either way they payed the price by not being able to drill. obama is the same. if they were pro drilling anware and the coast would be tapped, or at least pipelines would be approved. Control over the masses is what they are after, and by allowing any group or person to aquire that kind of wealth and the power that may follow is what they are preventing. oh and as far as the venting flame? i hear they are quite romantic for a mid-night picnic!

'If it on the internet it has to be true!' i've seen quite a few of these videos and they present a shock and awe effect. but look into it a bit further. Ask any water well driller if they have ever had gas in a well, the answer might surprise you. the odor people associate with as sulfur is natural gas. so to have some gas in a drilled water well is not uncommon. the one i like is the guy sitting at his table explaining how he found 3 types of weapons grade plutonium in his water? and since pa was mentioned lets talk about the antis favorite town, Dimock. i have a coworker from there, she claims the water has never been 'that good'. bad tasting, deposits on everything, laundry no cleaner then when it was put in. she is 56 and has lived there her whole life. so is fracking the last 5 years the cause of all of this? lets not forget the water has been tested by every gov. agentsy and many independent labs and keeps coming up clean. the problem i have is how its presented to us. dont try to scare me into making a decision. give me the facts as is. in its early stages there were problems with fracking, very serious ones at that. all of which have been documented, reported on and learned from. its like being able to fly any where in the world today, would you try it with the wright brothers plane? no, but with todays technology its safe and efficent as long as all the rules are followed.

ahh you bring up 2 good points, world markets and speculators, neither of which are the energy companys. Both are products of bad government. its interesting to look at country like suadi arabia or dubai, they have the lowest energy prices in the world, yet they feed the world market. they simply take care of themselves first. and why is energy on a speculation market? when you allow this to happen you put more middle men into the mix, the more hands that touch it the more money it cost the end user. the same thing that occurs in the dairy business. the price of milk is $3.50 a gallon, and the farmers need to be subsidised in order to stay afloat. so when you buy a gallon of milk why dont you curse the farmers?

half a billion is an off the cuff number, maybe the number is a billion, maybe fifty billion. the point is if the gas company has to front enough money to cover any clean up costs, they will do all the necessary processes to ensure a clean and safe drill in order to get that money back. if the gas companies see the risk is greater than the reward, they wont drill. simple business. worried about compliance? put an independent compliance officer on each drill sight, paid by a fee charged to the gas company, that reports to say the dec. the biggest peeve i have is the outsider antis coming here and telling us what is right or wrong. doc you are in the shale area and have doubts, grow has made it clear she is against it and lives in the shale area, your voices should be heard, your questions answered. however when nyc people, or loco ono, or a french movie director come here and tell us what we should and shouldnt be doing i get a bit riled up. same idea as these same people telling me i dont need an 'aw' to kill a deeeeeeer. its not their concern. as i stated to sits, i dont believe drilling will happen here for political (money) reasons, and the longer they string it out, the more opportunity is lost.

tough coons! perhaps you should put the 22 away and take the 12ga! hope your pup gets well!

thats the only reason why i trust the fracking side is the long term finacial tie the big corps will have if something goes wrong. my suggestion has been make them put a clean up bond up front , say a half billion or so, that will make them tow the line if they would like to see that money back. The anti frackers have been lying so long its tough to believe anything that comes out of that camp. i i dont believe in the end fracking will happen in ny, and it will have nothing to do with the science. as long as sheldon silver runs the dem. finances he will do anything he can to keep that kind of money and influence out of the hands of a more rep. upstate.

gellago, when you pay my property tax then its our land, until then its my land. with respects to the clean water, thats why i mentioned the gas companys need to pay for clean up before drilling and why we need to keep their feet to the fire. as far as you being rich? never stated anything to your economic status, i stated that the hunting camps being bought by down staters would not be avalible to purchase if the farmer/land owners were allowed to have their land produce an income. and since you went there..... every time nyc needs an energy or natural resource increase, they have no problem impacting our envirorment, (cannonsville, pepacton, fitzpactrick 1 and 2, and more) but if there is a chance for someone upstate to make a couple of bucks on our resources (which by the way would benefit downstate more then upstate since most of us do not have natural gas service) then its made out like we are the bad guys.

gallego... thank you for confirming my rant. i see your from the queens area, no where near any proposed drilling areas with no concept of the condition in this area, yet you post a link that has little to no information concerning gas drilling. the link has to do with industrial waste that some states tried to store underground. the drilling companies are have began to recycle and process waste water to to current clean water standards. now to give you some in-site to this area.....we are hurt, period. the unemployment rate is around the 10% mark which is average everywhere, but the jobs that become available are less then $10/hr. our industrial base was depleted from a decrease in defense contracts (from the fed level) and a very unfriendly business climate (from the state), and property taxes (local level) that keep companies from putting down roots. the past 25yr decline has just hammered the work force, causing many well educated, and highly skilled workers to leave, making it even less desirable for new companies to move in. in the rural settings the farms that use to prosper and take up most of the country side no longer exsist. in broome county alone in 1980 there were over 100 running family dairy farms, now there are around 10. so now these folks are paying inflated taxes on hundreds of acres that no longer able to produce revenue (thats why down staters are able to buy 50+ acre hunting camps). Now it discovered that there is a huge amount of energy to be produced at these sites, a way to inject some revenue into the economy, and help the area get back on its feet, and people who have no buisness interjecting there opinions into the discussion, keep us from exploring these options. now this isnt about greed, its about the little people trying to survive. we are not money hungry screw the enviroment people, we are farmers, hunters, and family people who are smart enough to ask questions to make sure its done properly, and preserve both the land in which we call home and our ability to live here. (wow thats 2 rants i need turkey season to start)

my original point to that rant (it did wander a bit) was the surface can be forever wild and still extract resources from under it. this will allow the state to receive the revenue from the gas without having to alter state land weather its forever wild or multi use. kind of an all reward no risk deal.

early take a peek at the map i linked. the drill sights are on one side of state land, horizontal drilled to the other side of state land to a termination well. all the drilling is done on private land but cuts under state land. one of my favorite hunting spots will overlook both ends of a permit sight, and my home will be surrounded by them. the state will profit from this. the question is how much? that i believe is the hold up. the state (cuomo and the dem. party) dose not want upstate rep. funded as well as the down state dems. at this point there is no reason as to why we are not producing gas. yep we know its downfalls, yep we know its windfalls, so keep the gas company's 'feet to the fire' on safety and enviro impact, and lets drill. Broome, tioga, and Chenango counties are contracting population/jobs wise, and the jobs that are leaving aren't minimum wage. its getting harder for those of us remaining to eek out a respectable living, and the taxes continue to rise to make up the differance. i'm very tired of people who have no stake in this on either side sticking there noses in and muddying up the waters. i tried to attend a meeting at BCC to hear some of the findings broome county had come up with but could not because the hall was full (i own property in broome and work there as well). come to find out the hall was filled with anti drill people from the ithaca area that had no buisness being there, and ended up being a anti fracking protest that disrupted the meeting and did not allow the information to be released. and dont get me started on musicians and actors against drilling, they need to stay the h*** out as well. i belive that if the gas companies are made to pay for clean ups before drilling begins benefits will be felt all around. My biggest concern at this point is loss of timing. with ohio and the dakotas taking advantage of the resources and nat. gas prices being at an all time low, we may have missed our moment to prosper. rant done.

No the state needs the private lands drilled to get the gas (and its royalties) out of state land with out drilling on state land. http://nyshalegasnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/norses-10th-another-marcellus-request.html if you look at this map many of the proposed drill sites are drilled adjacent to state land, then continue under state land, then terminate on private land. and just a heads up, you opened a can of worms on this site!

and the fun begins.......

its time to plant the plots...............just be careful about over seeding and dont plant too deep!!!! just dont hunt over the plots until they actually grow....

wow! round 3 please!

lets see...im a lefty, do everything left handed but play golf. all of my firearms are right handed never been a problem. is she shy of the bigger gun? perhaps closing her eyes or wincing at the trigger pull? just a couple of ideas to check.

me too, just 2 wives! lol