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I have had coons in my garage that I had to hit with a broom to go out the door. They are really not that scared of people. Or Cats. LOL

Welcome to New York

If it is in a box that is bolted to the tree you do not need a strap. The camera sits in the box and the box padlocks. I usually put some sticks up against the box to help disguise it. I do not seem to always be able to find places to hide it.

Like everyone else, I like the idea of having my trail cameras in a security box. The only other alternative are those that automatically text the pictures. I have a couple of them (Covert Code Black). They work great but ain't cheap either. The security box approach is the best bet. But that does not make them unbreakable. All you need is a bolt cutter (and maybe some wire clippers) to snap off the lock or Python cable. Take this idea and make a million dollars with it if you can. I cannot believe without a little inginuity that a security box could be made where the lock goes inside of the box leaving just the butt end of the lock exposed for the key. Imagine a security box with a 1/2" by 1.5" slot in the metal that allowed you to access two eye hold that slide together when the panels are put together. If the mounting bracket (that you bolt to the tree) had a metal eye hole that aligned with another metal eye hole on the front panel (when you slide the together) then you could insert the lock in to a 1/2" x 1.5" slot on the side of the security box, slip the rounded locking arm through the holes, and then rotate the lock upward (toward the sky). Now swing the base of the lock around so the locking arm goes in to the lock hole and lock it by pushing in on the lock. And then the lock would rest along the bottom edge of the notch in the metal exposing only the bottom of the lock where they key goes. Obviously this would only work with certain locks on the market as you would want one big/small enough to reach in but not so big that the locking arms would ever be exposed. That way no one could ever get to it with bolt cutters. They would have to come back with a crow bar and hammer to get the entire box off the tree and make a lot of noise in doing so. Anyway, I can't believe someone has not thought of this. You (the owner) would be screwed if you lost the key. But that would be a risk worth taking. If they were built like this then no one could access the lock.

This question would be impossible to answer without knowing what the neighbors are doing. And by neighbors, I would say the nearest 900 acres of neighbors. If you have some food plots and the neighbors don't then you may have a portion of deer on your land that is not representative of the population in the larger area. At the same time, if the neighbors don't care about QDM then it may be hard to tell. And if they resent QDM then they may notv tell you what they take. This is my situation. I just try to pass small bucks and take what I canveat. Unless you have at least 500 acres then I just don't know what you can do other than try to create a QDM co-op around you.

This just is not true cuz, if it were, those states would not all have regulations that are all very similar. Bucks don't have babies. The hardest thing is going backwards. The liberal deer regs in NY are so steeply ingrained in some NY hunters that they do not want it to change. The only challenges those states face is weighing the balance of deer harvest to sustain a steady population. That has nothing to do with preserving bucks. I think some people do not feel like they are capable of harvesting a mature buck when, in reality, it's just a numbers game. If there were a lot of them then the worst hunter in tge world would stumble on one from time to time. NY is no different than any other deciduous state and they could easily create a better age class of bucks. Hell, if you have bad weather on opening day then it usually bumps up the number of mature bucks the next year. Well, before rifles anyway.

Anymore I look forward to hunting before all the "no rhyme no reason" crap starts. It's never that great in NY anyway. And the places I have hunted where it is great, the action may he hot and heavy but everything is scatterrbrains. You have to be out all day and everything you see is going 100 miles an hour. I think you have a better chance when pre-rut is just starting when you know the sign you find is from a deer close by, movement is still early/late, and hunting pressure has been light.

Most states have that early ML season for antler less to help keep the herd thinned. It's annoying but people get through it alright.

I don't really have too much of a problem with your 1 - 5 other than doe only first two weeks. If they do all that and then move gun opener to December 1st I would be stoked.

I have 2 treestates I will hunt first two weeks that might be good for doe, might not. No way I am hunting my better stands.

I apologize if this has been covered in the past couple of days but I did not see it. I think word is just getting around. I spoke with someone in the DEC this morning who informed me that word has come down in the past couple of days that the state is implementing the Doe Only strategy this year (2015). First two weeks of bow are doe only. Muzzleloader is doe only. I was told that many people at the department have been calling Albany to complain about the way the state did this. They did not get any feedback from department staff or ECOs nor did they give them any warning they would do it. Last everyone knew - it would not go in affect until 2016. Reg books are being printed this week and the new regulations will be out next week.

That's the way I remember it. Dead on. And when you did finally see a buck what was it? A spike? People from PA would come to NY and tell us how great our deer season was because they could shoot a buck that was a fork horn, a 6 point, or the occasional 8. No joke.

No it is not a wonder. They have brought deer numbers down to more realistic numbers while making a healthier herd. Decimated? You would go over to PA and see field after field loaded with does. Now you don't but that does not mean decimated unless you want to look at it like there should be 100 deer per square mile. Now that is insane. I can totally see a re-forestation problem with the number of deer they had before. You ever try to plant deciduous seedlings in the spring? Unless you have tree tubes you are going to lost many of them to browsing even if the number of deer is minimal. I understand opinions vary. But it always seems like it is quantity hunter who is upset with PA while the quality hunters seem to support it.

This is the general feedback I seem to get from PA hunters. I seem to find they think things are in much better shape health wise and there are nicer bucks now. And the drop in buck numbers last year had more to do with weather than anything else. There must have been a lot of people who enjoyed the days when every field in PA would have 50+ does in it. How that can be seen as proper management is beyond me. They got rid of the does and they started protecting the bucks creating a healthier herd.

Well, here are my opinions on the issue. BTW - try the slick tricks or the Muzzy Trocar. 1. If I harvest a buck with my bow (assuming 15% do) I am still going to go out on opening day and I am going to shoot a doe soon after. I have no choice. 2. Most hunters will hunt deer if there is some open season. If it is doe only - they will still go. 3. If the firearm season was only one week, it will cut down on the people filling buck tags for others. This problem is rapant. While most will not illegally shoot a deer out of season, they will if it is in season and once the tag finds the ear - done deal. Good luck proving it. 4. Forget about success. It is the mindset of the hunter. This goes back to #1. I hear many guys say, "Well, I killed a buck and a doe with my bow. I am going to go during gun season but I really do not need the meat". In other words, I am only hunting for a buck. If they could only shoot does they would. Just to be out there. 5. If the season I that short then a hunter will be more likely to harvest a doe on 5+ day since the season is winding down and not so long drawn out with weather changes, football, honey-dos, and the like. 6. If the one week gun season reverts back to bow season for another two months after gun season (taking the Ohio Sept. 19 - Feb. 8th archery season in to consideration) then, once again, people will go especially if they see deer somewhere that are easy to get at late in the season like that. Pick a few off here, pick a few off there and you have success (most years) in meeting your goals. *** Yea someone might shoot a buck that has already lost it's horns but if you do the research - this rarely happens. **** When I look at it analytically - you get two buck tags, a huge amount of time to shoot an antlered deer, and then another 10 days to fill any un-filled tag. In the Southern Tier - you can kill two bucks with you MLoader. And don't forget about nuisance permits, which really has not been discussed much here. But symantics aside - I don't know if I believe the state has an over-population problem. But I do respect the opinions of many who claim they live somewhere that it is.

Whack the population or make people think there are more deer than there are. But - in any event - I agree that there motives are misguided.

It was also very hot when the season opened and they reduced DMPs by 59000. http://blog.pennlive.com/pa-sportsman/2015/03/pennsylvania_deer_harvest_down.html Most of the people I have talked to seem to like the antler restrictions.

Yep. Run bow season from September 20th until the end of December. Have your early MLOADER (antlerless only) and your youth season (regular rules). Allow Crossbows (many people who buy them come to hate them anyway). One buck per year. 7 day firearm season.. Basically just like Ohio

Yep. I hunt in Idaho and you cannot use Mechanicals there. So I bough the slick tricks (and I also bought the Muzzy Trocar). BOTH shoot great. BOTH shoot great out to 50 yards. The Slicks shoot just a little better but not enough to say it was not my set-up or other variables. I did have to play with the rest a little bit but once I got them there all was fine. I was impressed. I shoot a Bear Assault rated for 327 FPS. I was using XX78s (2315) but they have been discontinued so I am switching to XX75 (2216). The only thing to point out would be the marketing "Shoots with your field points". They were not far off but I had to play with the rest a little to get them drilled in. Hope it helps.

With one buck tag.

Bingo

But what if you jus left it at one buck? So if you kill one buck then you have to kill two does to get another buck tag? I can't say that I do not give some confidence to this idea. But how many people would lie? The state is broke so I do not know how they could possibly monitor this other than relying (libtards favorite word) on the guy at Walmart to show him X number of filled doe tags. They need to reduce the emphasis on buck harvest and also reduce the length of time to harvest antlered deer with a firearm to cut down on the number of people that fill other peoples tags. It is a rampant problem. Most people will not poach a deer out of season (although far too many do). But with that much firearm season they are people out there pursuing antlered deer who do not have the tag or will use someone else's before they use theirs. And I best most of those deer do not get reported.

Amen. Right there. No doubt about it. 8N comprises drastically different terrain and there is no way that farm land in Northern 8N should be managed like the hills in Southern 8N. I am with you

And Obummer was smart to take incentives not to work and discriminate against wealth. NYS emphasizes buck harvest with two buck tags per year. But that is only part of the problem. 38 days of firearms with a buck tag in your pocket and the number of people that fill other peoples buck tags is too much. If you kill a buck with your bow then you are going to surely try to take a buck with your gun. And if you can put it on someone elses tag - event better. But success rates are of no matter. If a guy goes out the opening day of gun season with the option to shoot nothing but a doe then he will right off the bat. And then perhaps another. If he has a buck tag then he says "I'll wait til the end of the season". But by then he is no longer hunting or does not see one. If you want to kill more does then stop putting everyone in a position to always have a buck tag (or someone else's). But I don't drink to Kool-Aid. I do not believe there is an over-population problem to begin with. To believe there is to believe the DEC knows that they are doing.