Rattler

This is what we have in my area. Many of you self imposed "experts" don't seem to know anything about these yotes, yet you think you know yotes. I'm posting this for those who refuse to accept anything without "scientific proof". Open your mind and educate yourself.

Domestic dog, maybe running wild. Coy-dog at worst.

And the people who left were most likely highly productive tax paying citizens, many who were quite wealthy. Whereas the ones who came to NY are on the low end of the income and tax scale, many of whom rely on govt assistance. The details are in the demographics. NY is quickly going broke. Get ready for the huge reach into your pockets my friends.

You boys just don't want to accept the fact you don't know jack about this area and what is happening here. I live here and deal with these yotes all the time. The deer numbers are down, the turkey numbers are down and the sportsman who brought their money to spend here are far fewer now. If you don't believe it, look up some of the facts you so admire and find out. I keep telling you the coyote info that applies to the overall population doesn't mean diddly in some areas where they have become numerous. Thanks for showing how much you don't support the coyote contest or the hunters or the community. The anti's are proud of you and welcome you all with open arms into their meetings. Be thankful you're out of reach when you call someone a liar too. I'm done with you fools.

Cuomo is a totalitarian, as are all the idiots in this state that vote for him.

Groups of 5 or six are the norm around here after mid-January. You will hear them howling to each other every night. A farmer friend butchered a steer in February and tossed the gut pile in the back corner of his land. We hunted it at night and let about 15 of them come to it before we shot two at once. (Que the deniers who say it didn't happen like that)

Just goes to prove the state of denial you guys are in. What do you know about Delaware County, NY? Ever been here? What do you think yotes eat the most this time of the year? Here's a hint: Fast food. I live here and this story is not fabricated. We have yotes. Lots of them! Want to hunt them? This is the place to do it. I must've hit a half dozen yotes with my truck in the last decade and have seen many deer run in front of vehicles while being chased at night by yotes. The volunteer FD I belong to responds to all of these MVA's so we have records of it. Why the heck do you think a FD in this county sponsored a yote hunt? I have no fear of these yotes. I have simply lost all tolerance for them and shoot as many of them as I can. I hunt alone, in the dark and want to see them as close as I can get to them. I do not have the slightest fear they are going to do anything to me. They have the fear based on what I do to them. You guys really will never understand anything about yotes because you simply refuse to accept anything that doesn't fall in line with your warm and fuzzy narrative. Like the saying goes: Ignorance is bliss.

I'd be good with thinning the population down to what it was in 1930 or so.

They don't rot by me. The bears love them!

This is where the coyote debate is going. Not good. https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/01/21/coyote-who-bit-boy-in-lincoln-park-wont-be-euthanized-has-been-named-mercy/?fbclid=IwAR2fEDCpkQDLaiKqWdnm3qSYwiqRzqvMuv6RAGCH6PCVMg_ng3dc5wnT2a4

No fear. Just no tolerance anymore. They're trouble where I live and they can be dangerous. Can't wait until they start to show signs of rabies around here. The coons already have it. Bunch of guns in the avatar. Count again. LOL!

They don't use that word, but they certainly explain why they are.

More and more info about coyote trouble is being released each year. This is from 2018. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2018/03/dec_13_tips_to_keep_dangerous_or_troublesome_coyotes_away_from_you_and_your_pets.html

Coyotes are vermin. Good DEC article that explains why. https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/6971.html

The coyote in NY State: https://www.esf.edu/pubprog/brochure/coyote/coyote.htm This article addresses deer predation by yotes as well as the problems seen in high yote population areas. It then dismisses the problems by reverting to the statewide numbers to declare they are not a problem. If you happen to live in an area of the state where there are many, they ARE a problem.

I think it was a lack of population control. I can remember when they were actually protect by Fish & Game in NJ when they first appeared in the wild. I'm not sure if NY protected them at first. I have a strong suspicion they were actually transplanted into eastern states by animal rights groups to establish a breeding population they hoped would eliminate enough deer to put an end to deer hunting. The wolf problem out west may have occurred the same way. Can't prove it happened that way, but can't prove it didn't either.

PA was paying a bounty on yotes and the population was being decimated during that time. However, once the dog lovers started protesting and national animal groups began throwing huge bucks at the protesters, the bounties stopped and the yote population went right back up to where they were trouble again. The yote problem can be solved if everyone is willing to work on solving it. Your neighbors have to be willing to do their part as well. But, as we can plainly see from this thread, opinions on the issue vary and many are not willing to even support solving the problem, much less do any work towards solving the problem. Some don't even believe there is a problem. That is the only reason the yote problem remains unsolved. Many are letting the anti-hunting propagandists intimidate them and don't want to be labeled as "blood thirsty killers of innocent animals" by the anti's. If we let the anti's win this battle, we will find ourselves fighting another battle soon after, and another after that, until ALL hunting is banned, because that is their goal.

The difference between you and I is how we look at the coyote. You see it through a romantic lens, filled with wonder and amazement. Maybe because you have little life experience with them. Maybe because you love dogs and see them as some sort of wild dog. I see them from a real world experience, practical perspective where they are nothing but trouble. The more we have around here the more trouble we see. Just this morning @ 6 AM a big doe ran into the side of my truck in the pre-dawn darkness as I was cruising along at 45 MPH. It staggered off the road into the field it ran out of. I got it in the spot light and saw 3 big yotes going after it as it got it's act together and started to run. I'm sure those yotes chased that deer into the road. They disappeared into the woods and I could hear the yotes snarling. I wish I had my rifle in the truck. NY state probably doesn't have a huge yote problem everywhere, but where they are numerous, they are vermin. Does your dog on the couch run with other domestic dogs at night and hunt down deer to kill them? Yotes are far more blood thirsty than most domestic dogs. I feel people who love them see them as domestic dogs and feel that way because they lack real world knowledge of how troublesome they can become. I would like to see the "open minded" defenders of yotes get some real world experience in an area where they are a problem, rather than relying on some book smart "scientist" using a global scale to defend the population as a whole, without breaking down the populace into the many different yote types and the differences in their lifestyles, especially where they are big and many. When you live among a high yote population, where they are yote/wolf hybrids weighing 40 and 50 pounds, all the things that are passed off as "expert opinion" and "science", are exposed as flawed concerning the actual area in which you live. There is no substitute for real world, practical, in the field experience when it comes to understanding the subject you wish to understand.

I don't know about other hunters, but I prefer to see a lot more deer and turkey around than yotes. Hunting economies thrive when desirable game is abundant. I don't think those economies would thrive if the yotes were the major animal to hunt. Besides, by the time it reached that point, all the other game animals would be vastly depleted and the yotes would be moving on. Deer and turkey hunters don't know how much they owe yote hunters. Support the contests or you allow the anti's to win the animal rights war. You won't like the lifestyle they will impose on you if they win.

Rats are very intelligent.

I'm not making any assumptions. I pointing out what will be the case if predator control regarding yotes is banned. I merely replied to your explanation of why you respect them. I'm pointing out the flaw in near sighted views.

It varies on how much time I can afford to hunt. Anywhere from 4 to 12 a year during the last decade. (Not counting the one's I've hit with my truck) I'm 64 now. Time for you youngsters to do you share.

BTW, it's man helping to supply them with the venison they so enjoy. If we didn't, they would kill all the deer and move on to better feeding and kill all of those deer, then move again, forever.

At this time maybe. What do you think they would do if their numbers were allowed to multiply without restraint? They already take small pets and have even attacked small children where their numbers are too high.

Every one I see.