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Then they would constantly be battling with the Upstate NY Coyote Lovers Club. Why don't you enlighten us as to what Dan Flores has to say about the Eastern Coyote in the Catskills, specifying where his research data was acquired? I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't care less about the western coyote.

So why does the state have to charge to do it? Couldn't it just open the parking lots in the parks for people who want to look at stars and tell them all the rest of the park is closed?

The problem I see, and what I'm trying to point out here, is the difference between the Eastern Coyotes we deal with in the contest area, as opposed to the smaller western coyote, and scientific studies relating to it, being used to eliminate the contest in Hancock. We are applying the wrong data stream to the problem. None of that data applies to the Eastern Coyote, the way it hunts, the problems it creates or the management plan required to control it's population. The two animals are different. Using western coyote research to attack the Hancock contest is applying apple issues to an orange grove problem. When the correct research data is evaluated against the contest goals, I think it is clear it works as a population management tool to the benefit of all other wildlife in the area. Until people start refuting why I'm saying with research specifically done on the Eastern Coyote, I will continue to argue they are using the wrong data stream to defend eliminating the contest. My frustration comes from not being able to get anyone to understand this.

Yeah, but it is the only program out there that actually acknowledges the existence of the Eastern Coyote and minimally mentions they're differences, and that they do not follow any of the "normal" routines of their much smaller western cousins. They could have gone much deeper into the trouble they can and do cause in areas like upstate NY, but chose to avoid that for some reason, probably to avoid upsetting the usual warm and fuzzy narrative they support. They don't want a 24/7/365 day hunting season on them, that's for sure.

The state's going broke, so they will come up with all sorts of ways to make you pay for anything they think you will pay for. https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/new-york-found-way-charge-people-looking-night-sky?fbclid=IwAR1KXgB4korM_re2hd5A_q2tiUOTSnsdt48VYCvuloKuQLV-QD--ZrFshCI

No chickens or turkey farms? (I don't know much about Long Island)

Farmers have livestock and most hate coyotes because they play havoc with their lifestock.

Everything he talks about in this interview involves western coyotes. No mention on the Eastern Coyote that thrives in the Catskills. I believe most scientists that study yotes would say the two species are totally different and require different management plans. Is their an expert on Eastern Coyotes that is being promoted in the media these days? If not, why not?

Which thread? I wonder about Staten Island as well.

Up until recently, all of the info on yotes in NYC said there were no yotes on Long Island. NYC is having a problem with them and I can see how they got into the city, since they could easily follow rail lines into the city from the north. But to get onto Long Island they would have to cross bridges, swim a river or be transported there by people. Are there any tunnels going onto the Island? There is strong suspicion among some animal control groups that certain animal rights groups may have intentionally transported trapped animals onto the island. Anyone know anything about the yote situation there?

What do you know about the North America Model of Wildlife Conservation? It has worked for a long time. It's a proven system. Your young mindset worries conservationists.

If yotes are limiting deer hunting or turkey hunting opportunities in areas that rely on them for income they're an expense. They are also expense in any area where money has been spent to increase wildlife populations. Areas that need to have deer removed have created that expense by not allowing hunting to trim the population. Same with Lyme issues. I don't see where I avoided any of your questions. Did you miss one of my posts?

Because nobody can force me to do anything against my will if I'm armed and able to defend myself. They have to ask me nicely.

Like I said prior, some animals have greater economic value to the communities they exist around, and that is the reason for the conservation of deer, Elk, Moose, waterfowl, grouse, small game and trout in America. Like it or not, yotes are an expense and always will be. Don't forget it was sportsman's money that paid for all of that conservation.

Point of fact: Long Island is the only area of NYS without yotes. Isn't it?

The main point of the video in the OP is to illustrate the difference between coyotes and Eastern Coyote, a.k.a. "coywolves". What we deal with in my neck of the woods are Eastern Coyote that average 40 lbs, some going 50 lbs or more. If you doubt that, look into some of the top 10 entered in NY coyote contests each year. They list the weights. Pay close attention in the video to the part where the man in the museum compares the size of the skulls, their teeth, the broad skull which allows greater strength to the bite and then tells you how they go after larger prey than mice and rabbits, like deer. We are not dealing with "little" western yotes here and the way they act in the wild is very different, especially when they are running in packs. The video strives to stay on the safe side talking about urban yotes and avoids mentioning too many mishaps, only glancing over the death of a human by "coywolves". I suspect it's a PC thing, or an attempt to avoid a lot of hate mail from viewers who don't want to know the truth. They do, however, begin to advise the viewer how these big yotes are losing their fear of humans and why that is dangerous. Imagine being caught in the woods by 3 or more 40 lb Eastern Yotes that have lost their fear of humans. It's happened already and it is ugly. But that's not the issue right now. Deer predation is. Now think of what they can do to a deer in the woods when they go after it. Once they have taken down a deer, it becomes a routine. The return on investment for the energy expended, is better than any other prey animal they can go after. They learn that fast. They are smart. If you want to see what "coywolves" (Eastern Coyotes) can do, Google some info and you can find all the truth you could ever need. There are many confirmed cases of attacks on humans as well as at least one death. These are not the yotes most "scientists" who write books about coyotes are studying. Like the video states, they're "new" to them and they know very little about them, because for many years they refused to believe they existed. They're only beginning to see what we have known for years.

It's called "False Spring".

I didn't know it was allowed in NJ. I wish NY would wise up and allow it during turkey season too, as I have had them come to my calls many times. And I would never consider shooting a yote out of season, on my own property, when the turkey numbers are waning, and the newborn fawns are vulnerable. Never!!

No, but some of the state's other predators are certainly having an impact. Democrats are at the top of the food chain in NYS right now. And they are defending some of the other sub human predators we need to be wary of.

This looks like a great day afield for yotes. I could get into this.

Well, if nothing else, it gives him another game animal to take while hunting turkey.

I'm all for a year round yote hunting season without limit, 24/7. Yes the coywolf does control coons and fox, but also loves turkey eggs and young poults.

Some people seem to be saying since there is no way the coyote population can ever be eradicated, we should do nothing and just accept the consequences. That's a fatalist attitude. The proposals that make sense call for effective population management to keep their numbers down. Without such population control, yotes become the dominant wildlife species in a given area, depleting the population of other animals to minimal amounts, before moving on to better feeding grounds, leaving behind land that has little wildlife of value. I have posted 3 different articles in this thread on wildlife research and coyote behavior to support this hypothesis. It's quite obvious some others here haven't taken any time to read them. Yet they clamor for "scientific data" and "research". No one is more blind than those who refuse to see. Trapping yotes is probably more effective, yes. So why didn't hunters back trappers when they were under heavy attack by the anti's to the point many simply gave up trapping? If there is one group the anti's hate more than hunters, it's trappers. Nobody expects these coyote contests to solve the yote problem, but they go a long way to keeping the problem in mind, keeping desire to hunt predators up, and reminding hunters their hunting future requires a little work, dedication and a united front. Letting the anti's stop these hunts is giving them the keys to stopping all hunts. Personally, I have no intention of allowing the anti's to decide the future of hunting in America without a knock down, drag out fight. I just cannot accept proclamations it is a fight we cannot win, or one not worth fighting.