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Do you know of a site with tips and advice for tracking? I assume you try to take a track heading upwind if possible; what happens when the track turns and now your following downwind?

Lets hear the story! How'd you finally tag him when he was so hard to figure out - nocturnal?

Brandon, thats a stud!! Do you have a lot of pics of that guy? I'm convinced in my area they do not like the flash (I've read that they don't like the ir either). We don't get many pics of the big ones, even though they still use the area. They just tend to avoid walking in front of the flash again. Next yr I think I'm going to leave the flash off completely or move the cams more.

nice 8pt 3yr old, he busted one whole beam off mid bow. Would like to see the guy who did that!

2010, date and time were not set. I watched him all June, then July he must have been hitting the neighbors soybeans where I couldn't see him from the road. We backed off in order not to pressure him too hard early in bow, then I had to work a ton during the rut. Also, at the same time the farmer who rents the fields in the area harvested, plowed and manured all the fields. We kept the pressure off, and I saw him 2nd week of gun after sunset. Hope he made it, and I do give God all the glory and thankful for the experiences I had w/him this yr.

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These guys were a couple of our targets this yr. Date and time were not set. Hoping to see them again next yr--but bigger!

Just kidding, I don't have a cudde and wouldn't spend the $ on one if I had it.

A cuddeback advertisement? ;D ;D

Well, the male variety usually doesn't have to cope with any stress for many years at all, usually not more than a yr or so.

If you aren't camping, do you have to pay to get in every day?

Rosenberry is referring to PA's buck season which is later than NY's. But it seems probable that most yearlings on a piece in gun season here in NY are residents (in the general vicinity) for life. "In Maryland, for example, fall dispersal began in mid-September and concluded in early November, prior to the peak of the breeding season. Once breeding peaked, in mid-November, dispersal movements stopped." http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/outdoors/x1733656795/Dispersal-of-yearling-bucks

"A yearling buck seen during buck season is probably going to be in the same area for the rest of his life." Article written by [/color]Dr. Christopher S. Rosenberry, Wildlife Biometrician --I think in your paper. http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/outdoors/x1733656795/Dispersal-of-yearling-bucks

Fourseasons, when it all "breaks loose" are you referring to deer running all over or the orange army starts throwing lead all over?

Thanks guys for the good advice. Wasn't sure I really wanted to be there for opening day of shotgun already. ??? So whats the potential for bucks there? Do you at least see a 120 class each yr, bigger? Do you have to pay at the entrance each day? Appreciate the input.

It may be true to an extent that you can't totally CONTROL coyote #'s, but hunting pressure HAS to INFLUENCE local populations-I think. If they are free to wander around and eat your garbage with no fear of being chased and killed, then they probably breed like rabbits, and den in back yards. If they are run with dogs and and shot at and totally nocturnal, they don't have as easy a life in that area. Now even if they just 'relocate' due to pressure, then the carrying capacity has just been reduced. I'm also a firm believer that pressure on them is a real good thing and keeps the fear of man in them. If a big old coyote has survived a couple grazings w/slugs in deer season or escaped hunters dogs, it will probably be less likely to try to eat my kids.

Very nice! Nice work. Is that a Duroshed in the background? If so, I may have worked on it.

How big was your brassica plot? Do you have any other plots to offset the pressure on it? Just curious because I've heard they get devoured pretty quick if not big enough. Yours seems to be doing good!

Thats really cool! Looks like the hardware store has an award for "Smallest Deer"! Don't know that i've ever seen an award for that

Who hunts Letchworth? I'm not too far and am thinking of maybe mixing things up next yr and checking it out. What can you expect in terms of pressure, #'s, size of deer, etc? How's the hunting? Any advice? Best access spots?

Like I said, I think bad drives are like drinking and driving. The actual mortality stats are no where close to the # of people doing it. And there are way more drivers on the road than drivers in the woods. I've seen it, and I know if there are others here if they are honest have too. Maybe you have never hunted with people like this, and that's good.

I don't think they should be illegal either. I already said some groups are good at it. However I understand where someone can raise the question, because these are NOT isolated instances of bad judgement. If you have never witnessed it, come visit the farms near me, where you can see dangerous set ups every year. And I agree its the fault of the guy pulling the trigger. Bad drives are done all the time just like drinking and driving. A lot of the time no one gets hurt and no one knows, and the one doing it is encouraged to push the limits again. Then someone gets killed. Just saying I agree there is a real issue of safety that is usually found in drives vs other forms of hunting, and it is not as isolated as it is sometimes portrayed.

I definitely like MS new AR policy better. I think it is much improved over their original and shouldn't have as much side effects. They have gone to a spread or main beam length requirement rather than point restrictions. There certainly was no backlash from those who responded on the forum.

Cummins gave you some real good advice. Frankly, older bows of lesser names that are not 300+fps kill deer just as dead as a brand new $1000 bow. The most important thing is to get one in decent shape that YOU are comfortable with because it fits you (drawlength, weight) and get it tuned. Pretty much any bow in decent shape will drill bullseyes if it is tuned correctly and has the right arrows. That is probably the next most important issue is to make sure your arrows are the right spine for your bow, or it will never shoot consistently accurate. Keep it simple. Many dealers will tell you that you need to spend a lot on a brand name, then they will talk you into the best drop away rest and a fancy $100 sight. I like the wisker biscuit because its simple and little can go wrong. and Just remember at the end of the day, a pin is a pin and if you want to spend that kind of money, that's your decision. Have fun, learn proper technique, keep practicing.

Calling guys idiots, dopes, clowns, unfit, etc etc etc isn't going to change anything. My point is these tragedies happen all too often, and way more come CLOSE to happening that no one ever hears of. So you can blame the problem on isolated retards or recognize the reality of human nature and handed down traditions for what they are, the pressure that is inherent in a drive and the required decision and skill of a crack shot. Compound that with inexperience, and a bad lay of land, and problems result. I've seen it over and over, way too often by different groups to call every one of them stupid idiots. I dont' think making them illegal is the solution, but I do think the tradition needs to change and education is probably helping some.