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[ELMER J. FUDD]

And lets also face the fact that the future of warfare is unmanned. There are no crying voters protesting when a robot dies.

No, just crying tax payers bitching about the cost of the robots.

[Elmo]

And lets also face the fact that the future of warfare is unmanned. There are no crying voters protesting when a robot dies.

Woah...weren't you complaining about military spending? You think robotic R&D is cheap?

[Sogaard]

Again....SLBMs. That is the gun in the knife fight. 45 minutes from first alert to total annihilation, all in one neat little package we can even track ourselves.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Sogaard

[Sogaard]

Unmanned vehicles are much cheaper than manned ones. Especially when you factor in the cost of the soldier.

[Sogaard]

And c'mon...I'm not talking about Star Wars AI robotics here. Unmanned vehicles are what the military has been trending to for almost a decade now.

[Elmo]

Again....SLMBs. That is the gun in the knife fight. 45 minutes from first alert to total annihilation, all in one neat little package we can even track ourselves.

I'm not exactly sure what a SLMBs are but if you're referring to guided missles, they're like a quarter million dollars a pop and yes, we have been using them liberally in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you're talking about nuclear warheads then you're are not thinking straight. Yeah, sure. Let's say we get into it with Russia. Take out it's central intelligence by dropping a nuke into Moscow. Kill 4 million innocent women and children at the same time. Wait until the jet stream carries the radioactive fallout across Siberia, into Alaska, and over to New York State. Watch you hunt whitetail deer that has 3 eyes for the next few decades. Watch your kids grow up with hair falling out of their scalps.

News for you. All the world powers have already shook hands to absolutely never ever use nukes again unless it's the end of the world type of event.

[Elmo]

Unmanned vehicles are much cheaper than manned ones. Especially when you factor in the cost of the soldier.

Which is why third world countries use them all the time.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I know what the F22 was supposed to be able to do, however, hate to break it to you, but the F22 isn't preforming as advertized. That bubble has been burst.

http://dvice.com/arc...-raptors-pr.php

http://www.wired.com...7/f-22-germans/

http://www.adn.com/2...m-dogfight.html

Plus, in all honesty, who are we going to be dog fighting with that isn't flying something from the 1960s? Someone mentioned China. Yes, without a doubt, China is the one country that could at least compete with us militarily right now. However, to do so would be incredibly stupid since our economies are so intertwined. Wars like WWII will never be fought again because the weapons are just too powerful. Also, those pesky little satellites might notice an entire nation mobilizing for war.

Global economy and SLBMs, that's out deterrent...we'll destroy ourselves way before anyone will pose a significant military threat to this country.

The aircraft that the Raptors went up against would have out performed the F15s and F16s that the Raptor is there to replace. None of those articles explained what the ROE was for the tests that they are written about. The F22 was not built specifically to just dogfight, it was built to fight at long range, be stealthy AND do a good job in a dog fight. The Eurofighter was designed primarily to dogfight, and provide CAS for ground troops.

You do realize that all military aircraft go through many variations, right? The F15 went through 5 primary revisions, and they even have another proposed version to try and keep the platform in production.

[Sogaard]

I'm not exactly sure what a SLMBs are but if you're referring to guided missles, they're like a quarter million dollars a pop and yes, we have been using them liberally in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you're talking about nuclear warheads then you're are not thinking straight. Yeah, sure. Let's say we get into it with Russia. Take out it's central intelligence by dropping a nuke into Moscow. Kill 4 million innocent women and children at the same time. Wait until the jet stream carries the radioactive fallout across Siberia, into Alaska, and over to New York State. Watch you hunt whitetail deer that has 3 eyes for the next few decades. Watch your kids grow up with hair falling out of their scalps.

News for you. All the world powers have already shook hands to absolutely never ever use nukes again unless it's the end of the world type of event.

SLBMs = Submarine Launched Ballistic Missles

So I'm confused. It sounded like we needed this huge military to keep a foreign power from attacking US soil and killing us all. But you're worried about killing enemy civilians?

Or can we all just stamp this out by saying its completely impractical to think that anyone would invade the US and this bloated military of ours is vastly unneeded?

I get it, planes are cool, and hey, what's 80 billion dollars anyway, we can always print more. But feeding our own starving children and taking care of the poor and elderly is also pretty cool, in my opinion at least.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Sogaard

[WNYBuckHunter]

Having you, your children, neighbors, family, friends raped and pillaged by whoever feels like it because we have a piss poor military is apparently cool by your standards.

Look, your isolationist theory was debunked in 1941.

[WNYBuckHunter]

"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

-George Santayana

[Sogaard]

How do you propose a foreign nation could move the amount of troops and supplies needed to invade without anyone noticing? Honestly. Please explain that to me.

Any where is the part where I say we should destroy all guns and everyone gets to join a commune? We could halve our military and it would STILL be far and away the most powerful in the world. No one is ever going to f*ck with the United States militarily. The fact that you think its possible for an invasion on US soil so we can all get "raped and pillaged" is just foolish.

If you want to keep comparing today's military abilities to the 1940s, I'm not even going to address your posts anymore, its just silly.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Sogaard

[WNYBuckHunter]

Go ahead, stick your head in the sand. Our eyes and ears are electronic, plenty of ways to knock that out, not all of them that hard.

You propose that we basically sit back and watch, well then, what do we do when someone starts a build up and we dont have anything to pose a real threat to them? Oh wait, thats happened before...

We can go round and round with this, but like I have said already, your line of reasoning has been disproven. Sorry that you cant accept that and move on.

Lets get back to comparing the F22 with the F117 shall we? LMAO

[Elmo]

How do you propose a foreign nation could move the amount of troops and supplies needed to invade without anyone noticing? Honestly. Please explain that to me.

Tell that to the families of those who passed during 9/11.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Elmo

[Sogaard]

Because 9/11 was an invasion by a foreign country, amiright?

I give up.

Wasting millions feeding and caring for the poor and elderly, bad.

Wasting millions paying for a largely unused and unneeded military, good.

Gotcha.

And Elmo, I was in city when the towers fell. I saw it first hand. I lost a cousin and two friends I went to high school with. Its a bit of a sore spot for me, so normally just about now I'd probably tell you to go ---- yourself, but WNY would probably take the opportunity to ban me, so I'll resist the temptation.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Because 9/11 was an invasion by a foreign country, amiright?

I give up.

Wasting millions feeding and caring for the poor and elderly, bad.

Wasting millions paying for a largely unused and unneeded military, good.

Gotcha.

And Elmo, I was in city when the towers fell. I saw it first hand. I lost a cousin and two friends I went to high school with. Its a bit of a sore spot for me, so normally just about now I'd probably tell you to go ---- yourself, but WNY would probably take the opportunity to ban me, so I'll resist the temptation.

Who said anything about not helping people that really need it?

[WNYBuckHunter]

BTW, I dont want to ban you, but I did edit out the profanity.

You do realize that only 2 people have ever been banned from this site, and neither one was banned for being a liberal or disagreeing with a moderator.

[d-bone20917]

Yeah it's too bad we didn't have the most powerful military in the world back in 2001 or else the attacks could have been avoided.... wait... what???

[Sogaard]

Who said anything about not helping people that really need it?

Culliver, page 5, second post.

[Elmo]

And Elmo, I was in city when the towers fell. I saw it first hand. I lost a cousin and two friends I went to high school with. Its a bit of a sore spot for me, so normally just about now I'd probably tell you to go ---- yourself, but WNY would probably take the opportunity to ban me, so I'll resist the temptation.

I was there too when it happened. I also helped in the recovery. But I'm not comparing scars. I apologize for going somewhere I shouldn't.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Culliver, page 5, second post.

Thats not what Culver said.

C O M P R E H E N S I O N.....learn it.

[Sogaard]

I was there too when it happened. I also helped in the recovery. But I'm not comparing scars. I apologize for going somewhere I shouldn't.

Fair enough, thank you. I apologize for letting my temper get the best of me for a moment.

[Sogaard]

Thats not what Culver said.

C O M P R E H E N S I O N.....learn it.

He was asked if uninsured people who cant afford hospital fees should be turned away from emergency rooms. He said yes (if they aren't children). How is that not denying people who truly need help?

[ants]

Ants, this is what currently happens now, except you aren't fined.

Hospitals can't refuse to give you care if you show up in their emergency room. Who do you think pays the bills for the uninsured now? I'll give you two guesses, but you'll probably only need one.

I understand that but what I see happening is people who currently buy insurance, and businesses who provide insurance to their employees, dropping that insurance and paying the much cheaper fine, causing more and more people to go into the government system. The number of people in the government system would go through the roof and the money, to cover them, has to come from somewhere .

[Elmo]

I have spoken to a few Canadians where there is universal health coverage. Their biggest complaint is the fact that they bust their butts and go to work everyday even if they have a headache and is coughing but the person in the next cubicle takes the day off and goes to the doctor due to some minor issue and they'll split the cost via taxes. They feel that if the cost for such minor visits would be more prohibitive, the other person might be more inclined to "tough it out" and go to work.