forced into a...

[growalot]

Non hunting decision....while running a bath last night the water sounded funny...hhhmmm...Mr.B goes into the basement to check the hot water heater...floor a little damp no leak on the bottom...but on top there is a small leak at the hot what pipe...So now .....it's nurse it along and wait for a rod to come in...or get a new heater now...On a good note at least we have time to decide on tank less or a new tank....This is very close to an even decision because we have to have a power vented hot water tank...won't use electric...and they cost very near what a tankless costs....with it just being the two of us I'm leaning toward the tankless...how fast an unexpected 900.00 to 1200.00 dollars can fly out a door...lol

[phade]

Tankless was one of the worst experiences I have ever had in my life. So many problems with them.

I think the biggest issue is that Americans tend to use one where as Europeans (much more common) use them at all points of hot water use.

I celebrated the day I got a good old fashioned water heater.

[growalot]

Thanks Phade...He's talking to one of the plumbing bosses now and getting more opinions...last I talked to him he's leaning toward a regular tank...if the fix doesn't work...Glad the Son lives not too far away.. short drive to shower...lol....he actually put in a tankless a couple of years ago...but also had to have a whole house water purifier put on as well...hard water problems...every thing was orange and a tad sulfur smelling

[burmjohn]

I have a tankless gas, zero problems in about 7 years now. The brand is paloma...

Its mounted on my garage wall, vented right out. All i do is check the air filter every once in a while.

[wooly]

Power vent will probably end up cheaper in your case. You'll be able to use existing water, gas, and vent lines with little altering.

The tankless will involve more labor and material with the mounting in a new location and different venting system.

I've installed hundreds of both styles and each has advantages in certain applications.

[joe12]

When the tankless breaks...good luck trying to find someone that knows how to fix them.

[growalot]

PS water not what...just caught that

[ants]

Had to replace mine two years ago. Same problem , it was leaking from the top, hot out pipe. I went with a regular tank. It was cheaper and I installed it myself. I figure Im good for another 8-10 years.

[ncountry]

I know you said no electric, but what about one of these...http://www.lowes.com/pd_386797-83-GEH50DEEDSR_4294763899__?productId=3664968&Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_avg_rating%7C1&facetInfo=

........holy long link, batman

Edited March 1, 2013 by ncountry

[growalot]

Lol...that didn't come up to an actual product but Loews was the first site we searched last night...Electric just has more that can go wrong...and electric cost here are high as well...We are even going to put in a new under ground service to try and get costs down...we had tests done and are loosing some power to the ground apparently...... we also get a lot of brown outs /glitches as I call them...then you have the power outages that happen several times a year...be it snow or lightening storms...any how gas seems to last longer....this one is 12 years old an AO we installed..

Edited March 1, 2013 by growalot

[tuckersdaddy]

we put our electric on a timer, on early in the morning and evening, off during the day and late night. we notice a differance in the bill. Are you on well water? if so when you have a power outage you have no water anyway. (unless your prepared with a generator) the other reason for electric on ours is nothing else in the house runs on propane, which makes it another fuel source to keep up with. just my rambling thoughts...

[growalot]

When we first moved here there was and electric one...yep with a timer..but we also have a propane forced air furnace..and I will not cook on an electric stove...so it just made sense to go propane..and it was cheap at that time...sign a 7yr contract to buy propane and the water heater cost very little...Propane was cheap back then

We learned years ago to have at least one generator on hand ...with two freezers and a water pump..... no wood heat...as of yet..it's a must...even considering a whole house one.

[sits in trees]

Got one of these in my house, we have 6 people and it never ever runs out...its been in use for 6 years and all is still good, alittle pricey but doesnt cost much to run, feeds off the boiler on a thermostat....

http://www.radiantheatproducts.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=385

[tuckersdaddy]

Propane understood. But if your looking into wood heat....out door wood burner with unlimited hot water?

[Gthphtm]

Propane understood. But if your looking into wood heat....out door wood burner with unlimited hot water?

That's what I do, the trees I cut down when clearing for food plots I cut up for firewood,which I heat my house with and have a setup on my elec. hot water heater which heats the water.It does not use elec. as long as the wood boiler is going and I have not used any fuel oil for over 5 years.So the cost of the outside wood boiler has been paid for.

[sits in trees]

That's what I do, the trees I cut down when clearing for food plots I cut up for firewood,which I heat my house with and have a setup on my elec. hot water heater which heats the water.It does not use elec. as long as the wood boiler is going and I have not used any fuel oil for over 5 years.So the cost of the outside wood boiler has been paid for.

Cut off those blood sucking oil companies, very good and very patriotic...Im doing my best to do the same by burning wood and have plans to do much more, I would like to be totally free of the grasp of any corportions when it comes to my energy needs, Screw BIG OIL, BIG GAS, NYSEG, and even companies that make wood pellets, and the whole lot of them who wanna make you dependent on them.....

[growalot]

a coupe of years ago we bought a soap stone wood stove...we'd given camp our other wood stove when we moved here...the Modified A frame we have is just set up for wood heat...but we put on an extended porch roof several years ago and will be turning that into an addition...this will have the needed clearance for the piping....I miss wood heat...even though I have an allergy to wood smoke...it's a skin thing...found that out when the only time I got a bad rash on my face and neck was winter.....loading the stove....skin allergy test confirmed it to be the wood smoke

[Gthphtm]

That s***s with all the wood you have according to your posted pictures.Even with the outdoor furnace I have you have to open the door and step back and let the heat and dust clear before loading more wood into it.