Barnes Spit-fire tmz

[WNYBuckHunter]

Thanks for the read phade. Sounds like even with a heavier bullet, I might want to keep it 250 or less on an Elk. I might be able to stretch it a bit more on a Mulie.

[phade]

Yeah - when you said what your 100-200 drop was, I shocked. Not doubting you as you've shot it, but it's much better than anything I've heard of before in that combo. When you said you wanted 300 yd performance I was envisioning a big holdover that would make shooting game in the field conditions challenging to say the least for most east cost hunters who don't have the ability to be life-long shooters at 300 yds or more. Adding to that what you need to take down an elk, it's a lot to bite off.

 

Once you hit that 250 yd mark, MZ performance starts to drop (as far as hunting situations go and hunter skill). It takes a lot to bring down bigger animal like an elk and you want room for error when it comes to energy and expansion.

 

Thinking the 300 gr PT Gold or similar variant in Barnes will be a smart move. Plus, you could dial it back in slightly and still keep it a great load for whitetails here. That thing would be a hammer on deer here, even with a light charge.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Thats what Im thinking too. Believe me, Ill be practicing ALOT at the distances I plan on shooting. Im good with it out to 200, but have yet to shoot past that. I have the room, just havent done it.

[shawnhu]

Know the speed and energy at that 300 yard range? As phade mentioned, energy and expansion may be an issue.

I don't own a ML, but have seen some of the bullets. They don't strike me as having a high BC with the stubby shape. If the bullet drops out of transonic speeds, you'll have major accuracy issues.

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[SteveB]

Spend some time reading here. http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/

 

Heavy conicals are indeed more than capable of doing the job at 300 yds - if the shooter 

has spent the time to do his.

 

Research the loads used to wipe out the buffalo herds - much at longer ranges.

It wasn't a 150 gr powder, 2oo gr bullet.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Thanks Steve, Ill take a gander

[WNYBuckHunter]

Know the speed and energy at that 300 yard range? As phade mentioned, energy and expansion may be an issue.

I don't own a ML, but have seen some of the bullets. They don't strike me as having a high BC with the stubby shape. If the bullet drops out of transonic speeds, you'll have major accuracy issues.

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Take a look at the Spit-Fires, they are boat tails, which makes me think they should be a bit better at longer distances. Ill find out where they are at accuracy wise first, then if I can get them to an acceptable level, Ill see what they do shooting them into phone books out there. Should give me some good info on penetration and expansion.

 

Its all going to boil down to testing.

[vizslas]

I have the info on the spitfire. At the range two days ago working up a load for this bullet. Blackhorn 209, triumph by thompsonand a  nikon prostaff scope...I got my best groups with 105 110 115 grains. At 127 yards  105 grain was 1.750 inches center to center 110 grain was 2.00 inches and 115 was 2.250. Now that I have an idea what to shoot its time to sight it in. I am super happy with these rounds. I bought the 24 pack. I shot 21 of these and would say very objectivley that i only had three flyers......I bought two more 24 packs of these... I am counting on them to fill my freezer... by the way I couldnt get any grouping  with the hornady fpb 300 grain and that was at 100 yards. I will give them another try some day with a larger volume of powder...I dont think hundred grain loads sre enough to expand the bullet enough to engage the rifleing... maybee a magnum load ..

[Top ramen]

Barnes expander spit-fire TMZ .50-250gr over 96grains blackthorn 209. This one entered the brisket of a decent buck while he was standing and looking at me. Found this in the liver after it bounced around his chest awhile.

[Grizz1219]

Thinking of trying these very slugs.. TMZ... Would love to bring it to Africa the next time I go... Going to work up a load with BH209 as well... What primers are you guys using with the heavier charges of the 209???

[mt624]

I assume you've gone to this page and looked at the charts? http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/muzzleloader/

I've used Barnes for years and this takes a lot of the guess work out of it and gets you at a good starting point, love the bullets. Good luck!

Edited September 5, 2014 by mt624

[WNYBuckHunter]

Thanks for all the info guys. Ill have to order some pretty soon to have time to play around with the load a bit. I have so many of the Shockwaves left from last year, I may just stick with them till they are gone then make the change.

[CRANKY]

Thinking of trying these very slugs.. TMZ... Would love to bring it to Africa the next time I go... Going to work up a load with BH209 as well... What primers are you guys using with the heavier charges of the 209???

cci209m or federal 209a

[ididnotvoteforobama]

I took a buck at 154 yds last year , from my TC Triumph / Nikon Omega BDC scope  with 150gr of 777 and the 300gr  TMZ.

 This combo gives me a consistent  3" group at 225 yds..

[eagle rider]

never had a problem with a Shockwave and an exit wound and I only shoot two pellets.  

[Rusty1034]

I'm a big fan of the Barnes bullets. I've recovered two mushroomed bullets like the one showed earlier in this thread. This year I took a "quartering to " shot at a big doe, and she dropped in her tracks. I can't say enough good about these bullets.

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