How many is too many - coyotes

[LI-BROWNING]

i hunt in hurley, ny.. 3 times in the past few years i heard the yotes yelping up a storm heading into the woods early morning. really loud to the point i was going to head back to bed but, thankfully decided not to. all 3 years i have seen the most bucks and have taken a 6 and 8 pointer. i had to pass on a few 4 pointers and  numerous spikes because of the restrictions. not sure why this is. i assume the yotes get them up and moving. however, i don't see does when the yotes are carrying on.  the area i hunt is a buck haven. the bad part it is probably the last year there. property being sold.

[Merlot]

And I used to complain 30 years ago about the occasional wild dog that would chase deer around...and the one that wanted a piece of me...now the coyotes seem to be running the show.  

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The coyote is one of the most adaptable animals on the planet and has very keen senses which makes it very hard to hunt. I personally think the season should be open all year round in NY. They definitely effect the wild game populations. 

[PREDATE]

The problem is that a year round season would not do much in the long run. Even if the numbers were reduced, the numbers will backlash due to a plethora of prey species. The yotes will start to produce larger litters to repopulate the available areas. So the year round season would better suit the sporting hunters rather than decreasing predation. Take a look at PA. They do have a year round yote season and they are considering opening a bounty on coyotes.

Yotes are more sensitive to hunting pressure than deer are, so realisticly how many are really gonna be taken? It's more of a feel good measure than actually doing any sort of good. Trapping year round, not gonna happen.

Running dogs year round, also not gonna happen.

It wouldn't take many year round yote seasons to get deer hunters griping even more and blaming the yote hunters for causing un needed hunting pressure. Pick your battles!

[nyantler]

Too many hunters listen to anecdotal opinions by hunters that just don't seem to be seeing the amount of deer they use to... are there problem areas where coyotes have a greater impact on the wild life in that area? Yeah, could be. But the rampant myth that coyotes are ravaging the deer herds in NY state is... just that... a myth. No hunting season should be regulated based on anecdotal information giving by deer hunters... most deer hunters don't have enough sense to get out of the rain let alone understand the complexity of reducing natural predation without affecting the entire ecosystem in a habitat... funny too how if the so called coyote "problem" is so important to deer hunters why are most of them NOT out hunting them hard during the coyote season... deer hunters have been bitching and complaining all across the state about the coyotes for years and years... yet we still have a deer population that we can't keep up with... the fact that hunters aren't seeing as many deer says way more about the hunters than it does about the affect of coyotes on the herd. I'm thinking the coyote hunters will start getting pissed when they're not seeing the coyotes they use to because the deer hunters killed them all off

[jjb4900]

people need to blame something whenever there's a lack of deer sightings, whether it be poachers, too many deer tags, coyotes, bad winters...you name it. I'm sure they all may play a part, but is one any worse than the other? I have never seen one myself and would think if they're that rampant I should have....however, I have seen bad winters, poachers and what I feel were too many tags given out in certain areas.

[Five Seasons]

From a coyotes perspective, how many is too many people?

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Lol. Really just went there?

[jjb4900]

well of course there's too many people, that goes without saying.........not enough jobs for all of them, I'd rather have coyote eat a deer then have my money go to the welfare system, but that's a whole other discussion.

[catskillkid]

^{I started this topic to see if we could have an intellegent discussion regarding the possible over population of coyotes in certain areas of NY, especially in my area of Delaware County. Many of the replies have been sniping at one another which is very disheartening to me.  We should be fellow hunters looking out for the best of mother nature's resources and not berating each other over gray areas of the game code. Most of the replies have been very well thought out and expressed as in Nyantler's writings. I look forward to more mature responses.}

[PREDATE]

I actually coyote hunt in Delaware Co. so you're welcome.

My buddy and I would gladly come down and shoot some off your land.

Edited November 3, 2014 by PREDATE

[Curmudgeon]

^{I started this topic to see if we could have an intellegent discussion regarding the possible over population of coyotes in certain areas of NY, especially in my area of Delaware County. Many of the replies have been sniping at one another which is very disheartening to me.  We should be fellow hunters looking out for the best of mother nature's resources and not berating each other over gray areas of the game code. Most of the replies have been very well thought out and expressed as in Nyantler's writings. I look forward to more mature responses.}

 

I believe you do want an intelligent, mature discussion. However, hunter's opinions of coyotes cover a range that goes off into extremes at both ends. There are the visceral haters. There are the fascinated admirers. There are those who have had problems with destruction of animals they own. There are those that see them as a source of income. There are hunters who find any competition unacceptable. There are those who think that science should be our guide. There are those like me who see many coyotes and too many deer. If I hope to accomplish something, it is to get the haters to ask themselves why.

 

There is also a fear factor that is not well supported. Personally, I have been unnerved by the howling of a nearby pack while out in twilight in a wilderness area. I have had to whistle at a coyote 25 yards out to stop it from coming directly to me while I was sitting with my rifle across my lap. (I did not shoot it). My wife goes for a long walk every morning on our property - often in the dark. Before the old-dog died, whenever coyotes were howling nearby the dog ran home. My 4' 9 " wife just continued her walks. She has never let the coyotes stop her. She says she is much more afraid of any unknown dogs (domestic). 

 

You cannot have a coyote discussion without an emotional component. It is impossible.

Edited November 4, 2014 by Curmudgeon

[nyantler]

 

 

You cannot have a coyote discussion without an emotional component. It is impossible.

Can't have any discussion with out an emotional component... it's the human condition.