We didnt do bad at all!

[mike rossi]

I don't think anyone with a sense of numbers really gave Astorino a snowballs chance in an incubator - but he got many more votes than then expected!

 

Second - the GOP swept the federal arena, not sure that's a good thing, but it sends a message....

 

Most importantly we dumped the states second biggest anti-hunter - Grisanati is GONE! Good riddance...

 

We retained the few friends we have as well: Lalor, Nojay, Tenney, Difransico, Ricie, Valesky and a few others....

 

Only 34,000 votes were cast in senate 11 and we think we can remove Avella in 2 years based on that, despite he got 90 % of the vote...

 

A number of punks retired as well...

 

The assembly 106 was decided with only a spread of about 100 votes - tell me one vote does not matter sometimes.....

 

Here is the most significant:

 

Grisanti gone means a new chairman of the senate environmental conservation committee.... The retirement of Sweeney means a new chairman of the assembly environmental conservation committee. We need to focus on these chair positions, this is vital to all DEC bills unless the governor wants to push something through the budget... Stay tuned to NYDH's website and social media...

[bubba]

In my county st lawrence we took a 10-5 republican majority in our county legislature, which has been dem controlled for over 10 years.  we sent a 3 term incumbent safe act lover packing in the assembly.  Our county overwhelmingly voted for Astorino.  I guess getting out the past two years getting the word out as I was told I was wasting my time.  too bad more did not do the same.  But I guess donating money was good enough.

[Mr VJP]

Sure a few small skirmishes have been won across NY and in D.C., but there is a war on, and all that matters is winning the war.  The other side did much better in NY, and I'm not sure the D.C. wins are going to help stop the storm that is coming in NY state.

 

Many other states in America will win big from the national shellacking the Democrats just took.  Obama will surely have a much harder time destroying liberty and freedom on his own.  But Little Andy ain't gonna worry about any liberty or freedom issues in NY anymore.

 

[HuntOrBeHunted]

Hunting is going no were is generates to much tax dollars in one way or another.

 

Ill say were getting somewere when we can go back to the store buy a 20 round mag for a mini-30 or what not.

[BKhunter]

I really would like to see him be indicted in regards the dismantling of the Moreland commission. Hopefully he would be forced to resign from there we could get someone in that believes in repealing the SAFE Act.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I really would like to see him be indicted in regards the dismantling of the Moreland commission. Hopefully he would be forced to resign from there we could get someone in that believes in repealing the SAFE Act.

If he resigns it certainly won't be his lieutenant Gov that repeals it. Picking her and sending the check to Buffalo for a Billion sure bought that county. 

[mike rossi]

Hunting is going no were is generates to much tax dollars in one way or another.

 

Ill say were getting somewere when we can go back to the store buy a 20 round mag for a mini-30 or what not.

 

I have heard someone else on hear say that in the past. Look at the state of Maine Question 1. They were lucky it was defeated yesterday. So was Rhode Island when there was a push to ban dove hunting a few years ago. But a few years ago California lost bear and lion hunting with hounds and Michigan lost doves. For some time a number of states banned leg hold traps. One state only allows cage traps...

 

The commissioner of the DEC has the authority to close hunting seasons, but only the legislature and the governor can authorize the DEC to set new seasons. Not only do antis succeed in blocking new seasons, they are successful in blocking new hunting opportunities on public land closed to hunting.

 

Beside hunting regulations, there is an organized movement to change the entire way wildlife agencies operate. The people working in the wildlife field and the people educating new biologists are increasingly non hunters that may favor different approaches, such as non lethal control methods for example. They also will seek alternative funding strategies rather than allow hunting to fund conservation.

 

Maine Question 1:    http://www.pressherald.com/2014/11/04/long-debate-over-bear-hunting-in-maine-ends-at-the-polls/

Edited November 5, 2014 by mike rossi

[tony m]

Nationally - With GOP in control:

The bad.

There will be no repeal of any progressive programs, no smaller government, MIC will have full power with McCain as Senate committee chairman - escalating in Ukraine, Syria, and Iraq.  Blowback will be tougher U.S. police state.

 

The good. 

Delaying of some Freedom relinquishment.

Possible vote to Audit the Fed. (Due to Rand Paul [Ron Paul] influence on Mitch McConnell, probably the new Senate majority leader.)

 

***

 

State

The bad.

Except for Grisanti out, the Senate has the same makeup (I believe so) who voted to weaken the commoners last resort to be free by voting for the Safe Act.  Activism efforts would target that same makeup, since any new legislation passed concerning more attempt to have the populace relinquish Freedom defensive components, would come from the same group of Senators.

 

The good.

Really?

 

***

 

Erie county

The bad

Popular Angela Woziak won Assembly,  However, she is one of the Cheektowaga Soviets who voted to not allow  other candidates, except incumbents, to be nominated for elections at the towns Republican party elections.  Therefore, she will rise in the ranks.

 

***

 

The good.

...

 

Edited November 5, 2014 by tony m

[Doc]

Sure a few small skirmishes have been won across NY and in D.C., but there is a war on, and all that matters is winning the war.  The other side did much better in NY, and I'm not sure the D.C. wins are going to help stop the storm that is coming in NY state.

 

Many other states in America will win big from the national shellacking the Democrats just took.  Obama will surely have a much harder time destroying liberty and freedom on his own.  But Little Andy ain't gonna worry about any liberty or freedom issues in NY anymore.

And did you expect one election to free the state? Did anyone realistically think that? Take the victories where you find them. That war is not going to ever be won without the victories that we achieved this year. I like realism, but I can't abide defeatism.

[irish_redneck]

I don't think anyone with a sense of numbers really gave Astorino a snowballs chance in an incubator - but he got many more votes than then expected!

Second - the GOP swept the federal arena, not sure that's a good thing, but it sends a message....

Most importantly we dumped the states second biggest anti-hunter - Grisanati is GONE! Good riddance...

We retained the few friends we have as well: Lalor, Nojay, Tenney, Difransico, Ricie, Valesky and a few others....

Only 34,000 votes were cast in senate 11 and we think we can remove Avella in 2 years based on that, despite he got 90 % of the vote...

A number of punks retired as well...

The assembly 106 was decided with only a spread of about 100 votes - tell me one vote does not matter sometimes.....

Here is the most significant:

Grisanti gone means a new chairman of the senate environmental conservation committee.... The retirement of Sweeney means a new chairman of the assembly environmental conservation committee. We need to focus on these chair positions, this is vital to all DEC bills unless the governor wants to push something through the budget... Stay tuned to NYDH's website and social media...

Valesky voted for the safe act

[Mr VJP]

And did you expect one election to free the state? Did anyone realistically think that? Take the victories where you find them. That war is not going to ever be won without the victories that we achieved this year. I like realism, but I can't abide defeatism.

 

 

There's no defeatism there Doc.  Just a warning to those who think they can rest on their laurels after election day.

Edited November 6, 2014 by Mr VJP

[fasteddie]

Asterino won more counties than Prince Andy but still lost .

Hoping the carpet bagger ... Louise Slaughter loses ... write in ballots need to be counted in a close race .

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Asterino won more counties than Prince Andy but still lost .

Hoping the carpet bagger ... Louise Slaughter loses ... write in ballots need to be counted in a close race .

Absentee and Military ballots are still outstanding from what I understand. Last number I heard was 4,800 possible ballots to be counted? Would love to see her hit the bricks.

She is 82 or 84? I am gonna put on my tin foil hat here for a minute. Now let's say she wins and decide to retire. Doesn't King Andy get to appoint the position? Maybe that is why Duffy didn't run with Andy.

[Doc]

There's no defeatism there Doc.  Just a warning to those who think they can rest on their laurels after election day.

I don't think anyone is resting on their laurels or thinks the work is all done. What I don't like are those messages that sound like all is lost no matter what we do in NYS. That message will definitely turn out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy if we don't occasionally stop to count our victories. It is very hard to maintain the loyal opposition when there are those that are constantly shouting in our ear that all is lost.

[Doc]

Absentee and Military ballots are still outstanding from what I understand. Last number I heard was 4,800 possible ballots to be counted? Would love to see her hit the bricks.

She is 82 or 84? I am gonna put on my tin foil hat here for a minute. Now let's say she wins and decide to retire. Doesn't King Andy get to appoint the position? Maybe that is why Duffy didn't run with Andy.

I still think there is a juicy story behind Duffy bailing out of politics. I think he some stuff that he just couldn't run away from fast enough. Of course we will never hear the story ..... lol.

[Five Seasons]

I'm not so sure there was a whole lot terribly broken with the DEC regs. Sometimes the monster you know is better than the one you don't.

 

I wouldn't assume new heads mean we're getting something better...

[fasteddie]

I don't think Bobby was too happy with Prince Andy .

[mike rossi]

I'm not so sure there was a whole lot terribly broken with the DEC regs. Sometimes the monster you know is better than the one you don't.

 

I wouldn't assume new heads mean we're getting something better...

 

This is another comment requiring an unrelated two-part reply....

 

Part 1: From what I know about you, you are a deer hunter, primarily an archer.... From your perspective I would agree, the DEC regulations are accommodating...  However, outside the realm of deer hunting there is much to be desired and there are many changes that should be made.

 

Part 2: I think most people understand the uncertainty of new elected officials. However the implication you are making is what, keep things the same? Please, be serious. Lets just do away with elections then.

 

Perhaps if you were actually contacting the legislature about a particular initiative, and experiencing the frustration of certain lawmakers being disinterested to arrogant, you would be pleased with the prospect of working with a few new people. No offense Bello, but on this one you are calling the shots from the sideline....

[Five Seasons]

This is another comment requiring an unrelated two-part reply....

 

Part 1: From what I know about you, you are a deer hunter, primarily an archer.... From your perspective I would agree, the DEC regulations are accommodating...  However, outside the realm of deer hunting there is much to be desired and there are many changes that should be made.

 

Part 2: I think most people understand the uncertainty of new elected officials. However the implication you are making is what, keep things the same? Please, be serious. Lets just do away with elections then.

 

Perhaps if you were actually contacting the legislature about a particular initiative, and experiencing the frustration of certain lawmakers being disinterested to arrogant, you would be pleased with the prospect of working with a few new people. No offense Bello, but on this one you are calling the shots from the sideline....

 

So if we're speaking strictly about hunting politics and not other politics, then here is my response. I also hunt deer with gun, turkey, pheasant, squirrel and duck occasionally.

 

1. I think our seasons for most species are on par with most other states. I would like to see no season for coyotes and a shorter gun season, however the conflict of over population in some areas hurts that.

2. I do not necessarily agree with crossbows during bow season but I accept that our society has pushed for such a thing and they are now legal.

3. We have a generous amount of public hunting land throughout the state.

4. They have properly adjusted the setback rules to make sense.

5. They have begun to finally allow rifles in many counties where you previously could not use them.

6. I would like to see some reform with regards to limits/antler restrictions but I wouldn't say our state is doing anything grossly inadequate.

7. I think license prices are way too high. But again, this is NY. haha.

 

I know you're into some bird hunting that may have some issues so I can't relate. But you must also accept that it's a real small population of hunters when compared to deer/turkey/fishing.

 

So what's your list with what's broken?

 

Edited November 7, 2014 by Belo

[Culvercreek hunt club]

So if we're speaking strictly about hunting politics and not other politics, then here is my response. I also hunt deer with gun, turkey, pheasant, squirrel and duck occasionally.

 

1. I think our seasons for most species are on par with most other states. I would like to see no season for coyotes and a shorter gun season, however the conflict of over population in some areas hurts that.

2. I do not necessarily agree with crossbows during bow season but I except that our society has pushed for such a thing and they are now legal.

3. We have a generous amount of public hunting land throughout the state.

4. They have properly adjusted the setback rules to make sense.

5. they have begun to finally allow rifles in many counties where you previously could not use them.

6. I would like to see some reform with regards to limits/antler restrictions but I wouldn't say our state is doing anything grossly inadequate.

7. I think license prices are way too high. But again, this is NY. haha.

 

I know you're into some bird hunting that may have some issues so I can't relate. But you must all except that it's a real small population.

 

So what's your list with what's broken?

 

Let me add one on. I want MUCH tougher penalties for violations of Game laws. Higher fines, possibly tied, as other states do. to the potential value to the citizens. So a poacher of a big 10 point gets creamed compared to a guy poaching a spike. I would also like to se a large portion of the fines go to enforcement budgets.

[Five Seasons]

One other that popped into my mind is the sunrise/sunset rules. I'd like to see the 30 min before and after added.

[BizCT]

One other that popped into my mind is the sunrise/sunset rules. I'd like to see the 30 min before and after added.[/quote

Same!

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[mike rossi]

So if we're speaking strictly about hunting politics and not other politics, then here is my response. I also hunt deer with gun, turkey, pheasant, squirrel and duck occasionally.

 

1. I think our seasons for most species are on par with most other states. I would like to see no season for coyotes and a shorter gun season, however the conflict of over population in some areas hurts that.

2. I do not necessarily agree with crossbows during bow season but I accept that our society has pushed for such a thing and they are now legal.

3. We have a generous amount of public hunting land throughout the state.

4. They have properly adjusted the setback rules to make sense.

5. They have begun to finally allow rifles in many counties where you previously could not use them.

6. I would like to see some reform with regards to limits/antler restrictions but I wouldn't say our state is doing anything grossly inadequate.

7. I think license prices are way too high. But again, this is NY. haha.

 

I know you're into some bird hunting that may have some issues so I can't relate. But you must also accept that it's a real small population of hunters when compared to deer/turkey/fishing.

 

So what's your list with what's broken?

 

 

You asked for my list, here it is:

http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/hunting-related-legislation.html

[Five Seasons]

You asked for my list, here it is:

http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/hunting-related-legislation.html

 

from the website:

Hunting-Related Bills that Benefit a Very Small Number of People  

[mike rossi]

 

from the website:

Hunting-Related Bills that Benefit a Very Small Number of People  

 

Can you please be clear? Are you referring to the subsection of the article sub-titled that and asking me what I think is wrong with that? If that's your implication, here is my two - part answer:

 

1) The premise that dove hunting will only benefit a small number of people has been raised. This topic addresses that argument. Additionally, we debunked that premise in other reports:

 

http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/dove-hunter-numbers-of-the-emu-vs-total-number-of-falconers--trappers-in-the-usa.html

 

http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/national-dove-hunting-survey-2013.html

 

http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/is-lack-of-interest-credible.html

 

2) The topic also confronts another premise that lawmakers have bigger priorities and cant get around to looking at a dove bill.

 

If you, as an archer who was opposed to the crossbow legalization; are interpreting this as taking sides or bolstering one of the crossbow premises, you are mistaken. Although I can understand how that can be mistaken, reading something with due diligence is important before you draw conclusions. Both the NY Bow Hunters and the Crossbow coalition have supported our dove initiative and also our mute swan campaign. That may not what people on here and/or the NYON reports and/or a particular retired DEC commissioner will lead you to believe; but we have over 45 letters from individual organizations, many petition signatures, and well over 1,000 subscribers. Our efforts are also supported by major conservation organizations such as Audubon and by wildlife biologists professional organizations such as The Wildlife Society and the Union of Ornithologists. What the sporting community fails to recognize is how large and powerful the anti-hunting force is in NY and how many lawmakers they have in their pocket. So large, they not only overrule the hunting community; but also the DEC , other wildlife biologists, and major conservation groups such as Audubon.

Edited November 24, 2014 by mike rossi