NY Senator wants to ban machetes.....

[ants]

Yes, many don't know that Christmas orignated as a pagan celebration of the winter soltace. On Decemeber 25th, the Romans celebrated the birth of the "unconquered sun" which was associated with Mithras.  Another pagan tradition is the celebration of "Yule". It is a Waccan celebrationLO

 

 

L O f'ing  L  !!!

[Curmudgeon]

Wow. Has this train gotten derailed or what?

[Mr VJP]

It's called free wheeling.  Without it, this thread would've died 2 pages ago.

 

Anytime anyone wants to bring it back on track, feel free to do so.

 

[Skillet]

The insults started with the Christmas tree post. Only those with a narrow minded poltical view would fail to perceive that.

 

     I have to disagree with you. I'm pretty sure it was you who began the insulting. Someone expressed dislike for a group of people with certain ideologies. You took offense, & made a direct personal attack on that person, likely with the hope that others would jump in & the group bashing would ridicule him into silence.

  Let me try to put it in perspective before you say "He started it with the comment about liberals". There's a big difference between his "insults" & yours.

  Example: I'm a state highway worker. Some people don't like us for various reasons, & while I may not be happy about it, they're entitled to their opinion about us (so while you may not like it, and you may feel his reasons are faulty, Papist is entitled to his opinion about liberals) Whether or not you agree with why he feels the way he does, is of no significance.

   There is a big difference between someone saying "Those fat, lazy, overpaid state workers" (what Papist did to liberals) & someone directly calling me fat or lazy, (what you did to Papist). I'm used to our crew getting the bird as people drive through our work zone (Papist to liberals) but I'm going to be much more offended if someone stops, gets out of his car, singles me out & gets in MY face (you to Papist).

 

Is Papist off his meds again?

Was it necessary to allude to mental ilness?

 

He seemed to be having a brief episode of lucidity, but it looks like the comedic circus is back.

This seemed like an attempt to get others to join in the ridicule. (Strength in numbers)

 

After the imbecile posts a "WAR ON CHRISTMAS"  rant on a thread about machetes, is you intelligence NOT insulted?

Name calling? Seriously?

[Skillet]

It's called free wheeling.  Without it, this thread would've died 2 pages ago.

 

Anytime anyone wants to bring it back on track, feel free to do so.

 

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[Mr VJP]

By all means, do your thing.  Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

 

Been there.  Done that.

[philoshop]

I missed the Christmas tree thing. I'm not going back to look for it either.

A 'soon to be illegal because I don't like it' machete is a standard tool among those who work outdoors for a living. Duh.

 

I really should have taken a more government-friendly job when I had the chance 25 or 30 years ago. "I coulda been a contenda"

[stubby68]

 

Posted Today, 09:06 AM

Sorry Stubby.  I disagree, as I know of many, and have met many more in the past.  There used to be many more as a percentage of every day American society, but as things in this land devolved, they seem to have removed themselves from the mainstream in the interest of self preservation.

 

Let's just say rational, intelligent, tolerant people don't move in the same circles as the majority of the people in this country anymore.

 

                                              I can agree with this. What I should have said is they are hard to find. They tend to keep out of site so as not to get drawn down by what has been happening in this country. Makes them the lucky ones

 

 

 

 

[Curmudgeon]

"...................I can hear Satan laughing."

 

More Freewheeling

 

"Rockin' In The Free World"

by Neil Young

There's colors on the street

Red, white and blue

People shufflin' their feet

People sleepin' in their shoes

But there's a warnin' sign

on the road ahead

There's a lot of people sayin'

we'd be better off dead

Don't feel like Satan,

but I am to them

So I try to forget it,

any way I can.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,

Keep on rockin' in the free world

Keep on rockin' in the free world,

Keep on rockin' in the free world.

I see a woman in the night

With a baby in her hand

Under an old street light

Near a garbage can

Now she puts the kid away,

and she's gone to get a hit

She hates her life,

and what she's done to it

There's one more kid

that will never go to school

Never get to fall in love,

never get to be cool.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,

Keep on rockin' in the free world

Keep on rockin' in the free world,

Keep on rockin' in the free world.

We got a thousand points of light

For the homeless man

We got a kinder, gentler,

Machine gun hand

We got department stores

and toilet paper

Got styrofoam boxes

for the ozone layer

Got a man of the people,

says keep hope alive

Got fuel to burn,

got roads to drive.

Keep on rockin' in the free world,

Keep on rockin' in the free world

Keep on rockin' in the free world,

Keep on rockin' in the free world.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

Yes, many don't know that Christmas orignated as a pagan celebration of the winter soltace. On Decemeber 25th, the Romans celebrated the birth of the "unconquered sun" which was associated with Mithras.  Another pagan tradition is the celebration of "Yule". It is a Waccan celebration.

 

Great, I was waiting for someone to post this middle school nonsense:

 

The winter solstice is generally over by Dec 23, at the latest, incidentally.

 

 

 

The notion that Christmas had pagan origins began to spread in the 17th century with the English Puritans and Scottish Presbyterians, who hated all Catholic things. The Puritans hated Catholicism so much that they revolted against the so-called Anglican church because, even with their heresies, they considered it still too similar to the Catholic Church.

They abhorred the feast days and in particular, they detested the Christmas feast with its joyous ceremonies, celebrations and customs. Since the Bible gave no specific date of Christ’s birth, the Puritans argued that it was a sinful contrivance of the Roman Catholic Church that should be abolished. 

Later, Protestant preachers like the German Paul Ernst Jablonski tried to demonstrate in pseudo-scholarly works that December 25 was actually a pagan Roman feast, and that Christmas was yet another instance of how the medieval Catholic Church ‘paganized’ and corrupted ‘pure’ early Christianity. (1) 

 

 

Christmas established before the pagan Sun festival 

 

 

 

Second, this claim is based on unsound assumptions. As scholar Thomas Talley points out in his book The Origins of the Liturgical Year, Emperor Aurelian inaugurated the festival of the Birth of the Unconquered Sun trying to give new life – a rebirth – to a dying Roman Empire. It is much more likely, he argues, that the Emperor’s action was a response to the growing popularity and strength of the Catholic religion, which was celebrating Christ’s birth on December 25, rather than the other way around. (3) 

There is no evidence that Aurelian’s celebration preceded the feast of Christmas, and more reason to believe that establishing this festival day – which never won popular support and soon died out – was an effort to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Catholics. 

 

Full story: http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e031rp_PaganOrigins.html

Edited February 23, 2015 by Papist

[Mr VJP]

I heard Neil Yuck hates machetes too.   In Canada, where he's from, they believe you don't need one.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Great, I was waiting for someone to post this middle school nonsense:

 

The winter solstice is generally over by Dec 23, at the latest, incidentally.

 

 

 

Christmas established before the pagan Sun festival 

 

 

Full story: http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e031rp_PaganOrigins.html

 

Papist -

 

Without getting into the solstice/Christmas details, do you agree that Christianity co-opted some pagan holidays and customs?

 

Having spent a good deal of my working life at the bench next to a WWII vet and Jehovah's Witness, I got learned some interesting things. They think the whole Christmas celebration is a pagan ritual.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

 

 

Without getting into the solstice/Christmas details, do you agree that Christianity co-opted some pagan holidays and customs?

 

 

 

 

Co - opted?  No, not at all. Name some

 

 Customs, with no theological significance, likely were absorbed. 

 

 

Oh ,and I have no ethical problems with Christian holidays supplanting Pagan festivals.

 

If you wanna start loving on the Pagans, you have to go full hog and start accepting human sacrifice and other odious practices. I don't buy into 'Pagan-lite'. This is faux paganism. Especially when one is attempting to get into the historical nitty gritty as a basis for argumentation.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Papist

[The_Field_Ager]

 

 

Having spent a good deal of my working life at the bench next to a WWII vet and Jehovah's Witness, I got learned some interesting things. They think the whole Christmas celebration is a pagan ritual.

 

 

 

They would be quite wrong then.

[The_Field_Ager]

This is fun

 

[Curmudgeon]

Co - opted?  No, not at all. Name some

 

 Customs, with no theological significance, likely were absorbed. 

 

 

Oh ,and I have no ethical problems with Christian holidays supplanting Pagan festivals.

 

If you wanna start loving on the Pagans, you have to go full hog and start accepting human sacrifice and other odious practices. I don't buy into 'Pagan-lite'. This is faux paganism. Especially when one is attempting to get into the historical nitty gritty as a basis for argumentation.

 

"Co-opting", "supplanting", isn't this semantics?

 

No neo-druid am I. I'm no scholar, just interested in religion. I've spent some time reading Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and such. I recently read Zealot by Resa Aslan. My general interest is why I ask Catholics what they think of the Pope.

[The_Field_Ager]

"Co-opting", "supplanting", isn't this semantics?

 

 

 

No Curmudgeon. They are two separate words with two entirely different meanings. Don't make me have to send you to Dictionary.com.

 

And quite frankly, I have never seen evidence for either in any case.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Papist

[Curmudgeon]

Don't make me have to send you to Dictionary.com.

 

Ouch!

[wildcat junkie]

[Mr VJP]

"Happy Holidays"

 

Any other greeting is VERBOTEN!