Looking for locals... Oneida county. And "asking permission"

[zeus1gdsm]

Hey all... I'm scouting available state land for turkey. And was wondering if I could exchange some PMS regarding local areas. Pressure. Etc.

For everyone else... How do you go about "asking permission". From land owners?

Now obviously I won't show up in camo stinking of beer with a gun in my hand.. I work in an office casual setting so more the. Likely that's how'd I'd show up after work.... I'm a very cautious hunter so much so that I passed up a shot I should have taken hindsight being what it is.

There is a ton of farm land up here and I'm not opposed to knocking on some doors. Any advice for doing this? I'd expect that either a) they don't like hunters or they are all full up already or c) I'm a stranger....

I'd be willing to provide venison from a harvest. And I am by nature a very courteous and friendly guy. ( or my mother would whoop me) or is money a determining factor?

Thanks for any who check this thread.

[upstatehunter]

Where abouts in Oneida county are you......I live in Oneida county

[zeus1gdsm]

Well the land I'm speaking of to ask permission is between barneveld and Rome..... Holland patent. Floyd. Stittville. Steuben etc. For upcoming deer season.

Currently living in Rome. Eyeing the Rome wmu and oriskany wmu for turkey.

[G-Man]

Now may not be the best time many farmers are working on equipment and getting ready to plant.. if you see one working on equipment unless your a mechanic and going to lend a hand you may be more of a pain to them as they are trying to earn a living and don't have time to chat with you. End of may early June is good as long as crops are in, July is hay season and be preared to jump in and help if your gonna talk.

That being said if this is only time you have ask but be respectful of what they are doing.

[zeus1gdsm]

Excellent thank you for the advice regarding the time frames... I have no need to rush out and ask now. I was thinking closer to the season..... Maybe august?

I've done some helping with haying. That brings up a good point.. Could be a useful in... A good full weekend or 2 of haying for good will...

[G-Man]

August is kind of late as they think you have been watching a big buck in their fields,remember most farmers hunt, asking earlier in the year let's you stop in and lend a hand, or just chat and or scout, although you'll be a master.scouted if you can tell a farmer something about the deer on his property he doesn't know,he lives and sees them 24/7. Another advantage tons king early and getting to know your host better is he/she may have friends that once he is comfortable with you may pass on your name or introduce you to more landowners they know.

[zeus1gdsm]

Again an excellent detailed response g-man. Thank you. You've given me a lot to think about..... Now to find out who actually owns the fields I'm interested in.

[steve863]

or is money a determining factor?

 

 

 

 

I think you have your answer right there.  I don't think winning smiles, blueberry pies, venison or farm help get people very far anymore.   

[zeus1gdsm]

I think you have your answer right there. I don't think winning smiles, blueberry pies, venison or farm help get people very far anymore.

That's what I was initially thinking... Does anyone have a similar situation in play? What should a starting offer be?

[steve863]

That's what I was initially thinking... Does anyone have a similar situation in play? What should a starting offer be?

 

 

That's a really tough question, I wish I had a good answer for you.  I think the problem is that in most cases a group of hunters will lease land, so the price they are willing to be pay surely might be too high for someone like you who may be going at it alone to compete with.   I've heard of places where like 6 hunters leased 50 acres of land which is crazy dangerous in my opinion, but that's what is happening these days.  They can cough up a lot more as a group, then someone like you or I would want to all by ourselves.  I surely wouldn't want to go in on a lease like that, though!  With smaller and smaller parcels of land being owned these days, it's not easy to find something that someone is willing to lease for a reasonable rate.  Some of these landowners think their land is a hunting goldmine (which is BS in most cases), and want to make a big profit off leases.  If I am going to pay them $3000 for a lease, I think I'd rather go on an outfitted hunt somewhere where I will be given room and board and fed and probably have a better chance for a successful hunt.  

 

Good luck with your search.  I wish I had better answers for you.  Finding private land is NOT easy.

[phade]

Ballparking a lease is not worth it. Determine a value to the parcel. You can try to use comps all you want, but a 40 acre piece in the right spot might be worth $2k to you (maybe not, who knows). Marginal properties (just trying to find a place to get out there) could be $400-600....basically the answer to a guiding rate isn't all that easy. It really does depend on the property.

 

People pushing comps as what to go by are smart because they drive up the price over time. It's not going down any time soon. Best to look at the value, lease it one year with the option to renew long-term, with a scheduled payment plan and modest escalators by year. Also potentially worth looking into right of first refusal for sale if interested.

Edited April 16, 2015 by phade

[steve863]

$2K for 40 acres??  Goodness!!  I know those obsessed with antlers would gladly cough it up, but in my opinion there is NO 40 acre lease anywhere worth that much for hunting.  That's where the problem lies for many hunters, myself included who are basically meat hunters or weekend warriors.  You just won't be able to find a private spot anywhere for a reasonable amount of money when you have guys paying $2K for 40 lousy acres.  You know that every landowner in the area where that guy is getting the $2K will try to get close to that much if their land is worth it or not (and probably NOT in most cases), and then things will never go back.  Meat hunter or not some of us just don't like hunting public land since we have hunted private land most of our lives, and of course then we will be told by some to buy our own land if we want to continue to hunt, which is BS, because like I said before I'd rather go on outfitted hunts then, if I will pay tens of thousands for my own land plus taxes each year after that just to hunt on.  It will cost me less in the long run, and I prefer not to have the hassle of owning land for the sole purpose to hunt on a few weekends every year.

 

 I tell you the future of hunting is NOT looking good in my opinion, no matter how good the deer populations or trophy potential might be out there.  It will get so expensive that for the majority of hunters it just won't be worth it.  Yeah, you might have some coughing up tens of thousands, but without the common man making up the majority of hunters, hunting will be doomed.

[Yotehntr]

Zeus,   I used to hunt a lot of land in Remsen Barneveld area for years.  Back then we just asked and let them know we only were after turkeys they had no problem.  They were all big deer hunters so we made it clear turkeys were all we were after.  There were 2 farms that we used to drop off some meat and a case of beer to most others were just glad you were there controlling the population.  I haven't been up that way in quite some time as there got to be too many inexperienced hunters and those not allowed on the lands running around, and the fact that I am now in Herkimer county.  The best time we found was early on a Saturday as most farmers were out milking cows.  Sundays they were all away at church or doing family things.  Its best to ask early in April or in March because if you saw a strutter so has everyone else and who knows how many people have asked permission. Good Luck

[phade]

$2K for 40 acres?? Goodness!! I know those obsessed with antlers would gladly cough it up, but in my opinion there is NO 40 acre lease anywhere worth that much for hunting. That's where the problem lies for many hunters, myself included who are basically meat hunters or weekend warriors. You just won't be able to find a private spot anywhere for a reasonable amount of money when you have guys paying $2K for 40 lousy acres. You know that every landowner in the area where that guy is getting the $2K will try to get close to that much if their land is worth it or not (and probably NOT in most cases), and then things will never go back. Meat hunter or not some of us just don't like hunting public land since we have hunted private land most of our lives, and of course then we will be told by some to buy our own land if we want to continue to hunt, which is BS, because like I said before I'd rather go on outfitted hunts then, if I will pay tens of thousands for my own land plus taxes each year after that just to hunt on. It will cost me less in the long run, and I prefer not to have the hassle of owning land for the sole purpose to hunt on a few weekends every year.

I tell you the future of hunting is NOT looking good in my opinion, no matter how good the deer populations or trophy potential might be out there. It will get so expensive that for the majority of hunters it just won't be worth it. Yeah, you might have some coughing up tens of thousands, but without the common man making up the majority of hunters, hunting will be doomed.

It is what it is.

[zeus1gdsm]

Wow at those prices I'm better off picking up a couple of acres near some state land and clearing it to make a feed plot....

No way I'd cough up that kind of money for a couple days of hunting ( unless it was a paid trip board food etc)

Good bit of Amish have moved in and bought up a lot of old farmlands that have just been hayed the last few years... I assume they'd want all their game for themselves and I can't blame them...

I guess I'll have to find some more remote farmland which would hopefully mean less coveted and less asked for than the prime front and centers

I know of one set of land right on 365. Has a field set way way back a thousand yards or so and on a hill... Can usually count and easy 10-20 deer out there at prime times.

I drool every time I drive by.

Where about in Herkimer? I lived in Frankfort for a time and ran all over Poland Newport westcanada area growing up.

[Yotehntr]

Ilion now but grew up in whitesboro area

[zeus1gdsm]

Ahh right next door to ol Frankfort. Use to fish that narrow gorge for brookies headed (south?) Out of ilion

[Yotehntr]

Yea there are still some hidden brookies in there. Took my stepson a few times even after you think it wouldda been fished to death and caught a couple.

[Daveboone]

A lot of farmers /land owners are much more receptive to wood chuck hunters, turkey hunters, small game hunters etc. Pre-planning, getting the foot in the door so they get to know you goes a long way. Then after a few seasons, inq. on deer hunting, unless they bring it up.