We have a reputation for bashing opinions apparently

[Mr VJP]

"I know I'll probably get some harsh comments ts from this but ......... Let the bashing begin.....lol"

 

This is part of the post from a new member on the forum.

 

It's a sad fact that firearm owners and hunters do have a reputation for bashing others for their opinions.  Even a newbie to the site expects it when he simply asks a question that should be capable of drawing a civil debate.

 

A lot of us are concerned about the image we present to non-hunters and anti-gun folks, but don't seem to realize the bashing attitude doesn't elevate us above the caveman level either.

 

Just an observation guys.

 

Let the bashing begin!  LOL!

[Jeremy K]

Ya,because the antigun /antihunters never bash us .

[Mr VJP]

I'd expect it from them, but we do it to ourselves, so how can we complain about them?

 

[steve863]

 

 

A lot of us are concerned about the image we present to non-hunters and anti-gun folks, but don't seem to realize the bashing attitude doesn't elevate us above the caveman level either.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't disagree with you on this, but you have absolutely NO problem bashing any non-hunter or non-gun owner who may not exactly agree with your philosophy either.  So what's the difference really?  You automatically discount them as being stupid, naive and un-american, so how much does that elevate you above the caveman status?  Not much.  We know you well enough around here that it's either your way or the highway, so if you can't sit down and at least listen to other sides point of view, and have a civil discussion with them, then you are no better than anyone else I am sorry to say.

[Mr VJP]

Well, it all depends on how they are communicating their opinions to me.  I respond in a way I believe is appropriate for the situation.  If insulted, I'll return the insult, though I wish I could refrain from doing so sometimes.

 

Besides I was talking about bashing US, not Them.  If THEY are bashing US, by all means say whatever you feel is appropriate.

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I'd expect it from them, but we do it to ourselves, so how can we complain about them?

VJP, ever have an brothers or sister growing up? I did. it was like a WWE match as kids. knock down and drag outs. 3 seconds after an argument or disagreement like that I would have stepped in front of a bullet for them. I think it is more of a "we can argue with our own but don't you mess with them"

[Mr VJP]

So if you can't sit down and at least listen to other sides point of view, and have a civil discussion with them, then you are no better than anyone else I am sorry to say.

 

I've also been around long enough to have heard everything that can be said about the other side of hunting, from non-hunters and those with firearm phobias.

 

I find it exhausting to constantly repeat my opinions with facts that completely trash many of the debate points those opposed to hunting and firearms continually regurgitate.

 

One of my favorite sayings to the uninformed is, "I'll try being nicer, if you'll try being smarter".

 

I'll admit I have a low tolerance for stupidity, but I am honestly trying to remain civil in each and every debate I enter into, and I surely would never start off a reply to a newbie, who is one of us, with an attack.

 

Not saying anyone did, just pointing out it was expected.

[Mr VJP]

Culver, I'm the 2nd oldest of 7 kids.  I understand.  But I don't believe I see the same thing among all in our circle of interest.

 

[sits in trees]

Guns are an emotional subject. People want to be free to go about their daily business without worrying about some nut murdering their family while in a movie theater or diner.

People also want to be able to own Firearms to protect their families from these same nuts and yes there's that small fringe element that think they need to protect themselves from the government.

Problems lie in the screening process of who can and can't purchase a gun.

Unfortunately the NRAs hard stance against improved screening is getting people pissed and going to make it tougher on law abiding sane gunowners and sportsman.

People keep bringing up Chicago and the total failure of gun regs that's taken place there, but I hate to say it cities like Chicago have become a lost cause and shouldn't even be in the equation for the rest of the country.

[Mr VJP]

I disagree Sits.  Chicago is the shining example of the failure of all gun control policies.  It illustrates how only law abiding people are disarmed and made defenseless against the predators that take advantage of their defenselessness.

 

People want criminal control, not less freedom to defend themselves.  Unfortunately, some people do not understand organizations like the NRA, that know all too well why the gun control the anti's seek, will make things worse, and that's why they oppose them.

 

Do you know the reasons the NRA objects to "Universal Background Checks" and the current screening proposals from the anti's?

 

When politicians demonize those who point out the fallacy of their agenda, they are either inept, or pushing a hidden agenda they do not want revealed.

 

Edited October 2, 2015 by Mr VJP

[brownclown]

 small fringe element that think they need to protect themselves from the government.

 

 

it is more then a small finge. and one of the true purposes of the 2nd to begin with.

 

[Mr VJP]

Anyone who doesn't know the government is a threat, has never had an IRS audit.

 

[Mr VJP]

Moved to the political forum?  Really??   As if bashing weren't bad enough.

 

[shawnhu]

I disagree Sits. Chicago is the shining example of the failure of all gun control policies. It illustrates how only law abiding people are disarmed and made defenseless against the predators that take advantage of their defenselessness.

People want criminal control, not less freedom to defend themselves. Unfortunately, some people do not understand organizations like the NRA, that know all too well why the gun control the anti's seek, will make things worse, and that's why they oppose them.

Do you know the reasons the NRA objects to "Universal Background Checks" and the current screening proposals from the anti's?

When politicians demonize those who point out the fallacy of their agenda, they are either inept, or pushing a hidden agenda they do not want revealed.

This probably did you in. But you should be used to this, you practically LIVE in that section.

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[Mr VJP]

So if someone replies to my post with political commentary, it becomes political and gets moved?  I didn't bring politics into this thread.  As a matter of fact, the first replies to this thread about bashing other's, were bashing me.  LOL!  Talk about irony.  We have some real issues on this site, that's obvious.

 

[shawnhu]

So if someone replies to my post with political commentary, it becomes political and gets moved? I didn't bring politics into this thread. As a matter of fact, the first replies to this thread about bashing other's, were bashing me. LOL! Talk about irony. We have some real issues on this site, that's obvious.

Yeh we do, we still don't have an air gun forum yet!

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[Mr VJP]

Maybe they're considered political.  Post air gun threads here.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

  As a matter of fact, the first replies to this thread about bashing other's, were bashing me.  

 

 

You are defined by your enemies as well as by your friends, and the more idiotic your enemies are, the better you look to the sort of intelligent, open-minded individuals whose opinions actually matter.

[Mr VJP]

It's dangerous to be a thinking man

 

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.

Joseph Stalin

 

[DirtTime]

Bashing other hunters? Deja vu right here! I think I have brought this up in the past, and it does not help give a great image of who we are. I think I was clobbered pretty good on those threads. Live and learn.

But, I have done it, many people in here who post regularly have done it. Sometimes we also take things out of context or portray what we mean the wrong way. Sometimes we are just being sarcastic. That's my big one, I am way to sarcastic for my own good and things get taken wrong. At least I know that and admit it. Yet, I am actually making a conscious effort to tone things down a bit.

The thing is, where do you draw the line?

Man, I was hit big with bashing to the point someone make a dummy account pretending to be my g/f. I think someone even called me a "wacko" and something about my life sucking. It is what it is, it's the internet.

We judge people we have never met in person from posts on the web.

 

As for new members knowing the deal? This forum is 100% visible to the public. So if someone had been reading for years, then decide to join they already know what to expect. They know they are coming into a situation where what they say might get hammered. You cannot blame them for that apprehension.

Edited October 4, 2015 by ....rob