Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Maybe you missed this thread. I thought you might want to see this and respond to it. https://www.youtube.com/embed/pELwCqz2JfE?rel=0&autoplay=true Edited November 13, 2015 by Mr VJP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Did you read this one? You never responded. http://arbalestquarrel.com/subverting-the-second-amendment-the-subtle-road-to-injustice/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Or this one? http://arbalestquarrel.com/nra-freedom-join-it/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) I'm not defending the NRA, as you put it. It needs no defending. But I feel your anti NRA bias does need defending. Give it your best shot. Edited November 13, 2015 by Mr VJP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Here's a great read about the NRA. Read it and maybe you won't be so negative about them. (And it's not from the NRA either) http://arbalestquarrel.com/nra-freedom-join-it/ "Whether you have a gun in your possession or not is unimportant. And, it’s unimportant whether you care ever to purchase a gun. What is important – what is critical to the existence of our Democratic Republic – is the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights must be preserved – indeed strengthened – at every turn. The Bill of Rights consists of Ten Amendments. The NRA’s efforts preserve and protect all of them – not just the Second Amendment. And, your membership dollars is an investment in the preservation of the Bill of Rights – all ten of them." Still think the NRA is contemptuous Redneck? Edited November 13, 2015 by Mr VJP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) It's not just the NRA that supports the positions the NRA supports either. http://www.examiner.com/article/can-we-have-a-civil-discourse-on-guns Edited November 13, 2015 by Mr VJP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Redneck - The NRA has a website called huntfortruth.org. If you are looking for truth, don't look there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I will not waste my time on a radical group of extremists I have zero interest in supporting, my time can be spent in better ways. Their interests do not align with mine so therefore I am not interested in hearing any defense of their twisted cause. But thanks for thinking of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I will not waste my time on a radical group of extremists I have zero interest in supporting, my time can be spent in better ways. Their interests do not align with mine so therefore I am not interested in hearing any defense of their twisted cause. But thanks for thinking of me. What do you consider "their twisted cause"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas0218 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I will not waste my time on a radical group of extremists I have zero interest in supporting, my time can be spent in better ways. Their interests do not align with mine so therefore I am not interested in hearing any defense of their twisted cause. But thanks for thinking of me. Twisted cause? Is that what you call the constitution? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Twisted cause? Is that what you call the constitution? The true twisted view is on the left. They whole heartedly believe the Constitution and the Bill of Rights exists to grant us all our freedoms. They actually exist to assure our freedom by limiting the Government. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I will not waste my time on a radical group of extremists I have zero interest in supporting, my time can be spent in better ways. Their interests do not align with mine so therefore I am not interested in hearing any defense of their twisted cause. But thanks for thinking of me. OUTED!! Not that there was ever much doubt…LOL! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 OUTED!! Not that there was ever much doubt…LOL!OUTED??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philoshop Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Many consider the NRA to be 'extreme' in both their goals and their tactics. This is invariably a result of misunderstanding their actual goals: The US was founded as a free country, and should remain that way. Everyone in this country is still free to disagree with the NRA, because the NRA fights vehemently to allow you to continue to disagree with them. It's not just about guns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Many consider the NRA to be 'extreme' in both their goals and their tactics. This is invariably a result of misunderstanding their actual goals: The US was founded as a free country, and should remain that way. Everyone in this country is still free to disagree with the NRA, because the NRA fights vehemently to allow you to continue to disagree with them. It's not just about guns. Now you just stop all that crazy talk....geeeesh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 How about the Lefts claim gun violence is epidemic in America. http://dailysignal.com/2015/11/12/is-there-a-gun-violence-epidemic-the-numbers-say-no/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRous6zKZKXonjHpfsX77e4sWqa0g4kz2EFye%2BLIHETpodcMTcFhMbvYDBceEJhqyQJxPr3NLtQN191pRhLiDA%3D%3D A quick look into the facts reveals an entirely different picture. According to the FBI, in the past two decades, violent crime has been falling almost continuously. In 2013, the number of violent crimes perpetrated was 37 percent lower than it was just two decades earlier. In 1994, there were 23,326 murders in the United States; by 2013, that number had fallen to 14,196, an incredible 39-percent decline. More specifically, according to the Department of Justice, the number of firearm-related homicides declined from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011. The Department of Justice further concludes that even non-fatal gun-related crimes are declining, dropping 69 percent between 1993 and 2011. While the exact causes for this dramatic decrease can be debated, the decrease itself raises the question: Where does this idea of an “epidemic” of rising gun violence come from? The most significant factor may be the large-scale media coverage of and public interest in mass shootings. Americans are captivated by stories of mass shootings and have followed them closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) I will not waste my time on a radical group of extremists I have zero interest in supporting, my time can be spent in better ways. Their interests do not align with mine so therefore I am not interested in hearing any defense of their twisted cause. But thanks for thinking of me. So you didn't even read the stuff you asked me to show you? I took time to compile it for you thinking it remotely possible you had an open mind, willing to discuss facts. You have proven that assumption to be false. It would be well worth your time to read the factual info I supplied and try to civilly debate your side of the issue. If you could do that with facts, you could be considered sane if you stick to your opinion. But with the facts staring you in the face, keeping your opinion isn't logical. Using talking points like "radical group of extremists" without any data to support such an inane statement smacks of someone who has swallowed leftist anti gun propaganda without question, or is really an anti gun radical himself. What better way is there to spend your time then defending American liberties from attack? The NRA doesn't want to beg for your support. They want the support of people who are intelligent enough to see the truth. They are the one's supporting ingrates like you! They work for YOUR rights, and continue to do so even when you spit back at them, because some of us appreciate them and they know it's the right thing to do. If their interests do not align with your interests, you must not want to protect the Bill of Rights, Rule of Law, the Constitution or individual freedoms, since that is what their interests are. If that's a twisted cause, call me twisted. When I think of you in the future, I'll be thinking you should keep your distance. Edited November 13, 2015 by Mr VJP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 An NRA ad on this page. Wow. I love irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 An NRA ad on this page. Wow. I love irony. Care to elaborate on your sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmg343 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 NRA aside, I just don't see how one person can be so far Right or so far Left. I would think that most of us agree with one side on some issues and the other side on other issues and probably disagree with both sides on another. I'm not a political person, and this is probably the reason why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Why would anyone need more than 7 bullets and we need more gun free zones with much more restrictive gun laws. Just ask the French Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Care to elaborate on your sarcasm? No sarcasm. There is an NRA ad with this discussion. It is ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philoshop Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 NRA aside, I just don't see how one person can be so far Right or so far Left. I would think that most of us agree with one side on some issues and the other side on other issues and probably disagree with both sides on another. I'm not a political person, and this is probably the reason why. The extreme left has taken the position that the very existence of the United States of America, as we know it, is wrong. They're working to change the US to fit a specific 'vision', whatever that may be. I vehemently oppose that position and anything done to further it. We may not get everything exactly right, but we're still the 'free-est' nation on this planet. I will fight for those freedoms. Why do you suppose our borders are flooded with people trying to get in, when so many borders of other nations are flooded with people trying to get out? We must be doing something right, at a basic level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr VJP Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Didn't Uptown say this doesn't happen anywhere but the US? What makes him believe that? "France was rocked by multiple, near simultaneous attacks on entertainment sites around Paris on Friday evening and French media said at least 60 people were killed and hostages were being held in a concert hall in the capital. The apparently coordinated gun and bomb attacks came as the country, a founder member of the U.S.-led coalition waging air strikes against Islamic State fighters in Syria and Iraq, was on high alert for terrorist attacks ahead of a global climate conference that opens later this month." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philoshop Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 One hundred dead is the latest count. Very sad. I hope we all get our priorities straightened out soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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