DEC. May Ban Urine- Based Scents In 2017

[Larry]

I just read in my new Outdoor News the DEC. appears to be moving forward on banning urine-base scents.

[travisrage]

Way to go ny. What's the benefit. Im not sure they work anyway but atleast give me the choice


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[NFA-ADK]

The benefit is to stop the spread of disease.  This coming from an organization that says no baiting (It can spread disease.) yet they bait for tick spray and for snipers to kill more deer.  Go figure. 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Just more taxpayers money spent fighting another lawsuit. No science behind this one and a judge will be the one to decide.

It is funny that they want to stop using urine because of CWD when there has never been a case of the prions being found in any urine yet they bait with Corn and Alfalfa...Both have been 100% proven to hold and spread the CWD prions!  Typical Ny!

[nyslowhand]

Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the DEC already monitor "deer farms" for CWD? So, if these farms produce urine based scents currently under strict monitoring, what's the theory behind this ban? Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but it is pretty obvious the DEC wants to remove themselves from this monitoring effort and simply do the knee jerk reaction by banning their use.

[Doc]

I have to be honest, I am completely ignorant on what does or doesn't cause or promote CWD. So I am willing to let those whose business it is to be up on such things establish policy. I know there are plenty of people who have cherry-picked their own studies and resources and whoever will back up whatever position that might favor their own personal agenda.

Since I haven't the time, energy, resources or ability to conduct my own study, I will let the real scientists and biologists fight it out among themselves, and hope that those charged with the responsibilities for administering policy take those responsibilities seriously. Frankly, I don't have any reason (real or theoretical) to think that they don't.

[Doewhacker]

 

[Doewhacker]

Side note, what the heck is up with the screwed up quoting system, super annoying.

 

Anyway, that is a link to another thread on this subject. I think NYOD news is stretching the truth a bit. Its not even a proposal at this point. It is only an item open for discussion. Now is the first public comment period so go write an email so you can be heard. I plan on doing so today.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

8 hours ago, nyslowhand said:

Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the DEC already monitor "deer farms" for CWD? So, if these farms produce urine based scents currently under strict monitoring, what's the theory behind this ban? Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but it is pretty obvious the DEC wants to remove themselves from this monitoring effort and simply do the knee jerk reaction by banning their use.

The DEC has about nothing to do with deer farms...Thats where the problem sits i believe..as they should'nt!!!  Thats like putting the fox in charge of the chickens. We all know the DEC takes high fence hunting as something that competes with them. That fact is true in a way. High fence gets bigger every year because of piss poor Mgmt on their side. When people dont see good deer or any deer they will find them. Its all about demand..No demand..No high fence.

As far as Ny farms and urine we are ran by the Dept of Ag because like it or not Whitetails are on the USDA list of farmed animals. We are the tightest ran anywhere compared to any other state.  We are 100% tested o every death. We are 100% Tb tested every 3 years, We have to be 100% inventoried by the state every year,and the list goes on. The facts are that CWD has been around forever and has caused no issues in any state as far as herd killings, The bigger fact is that CWD prions have never been found in whitetail deer urine and that is even urine being drawn and tested from 100% brain and node tested whitetails. The other issue with this is that there is a fact that CWD prions have been 100% found in corn and alfalfa yet Ny or any other state for that matter has no issues selling and using corn and hay coming right out of these CWD hotbed states and use it themselves to bait deer to kill them. The problem is they just infected that soil area for years..but want to ban something that has never been proven to cause harm.This is typical Ny!

My bigger fight in court will be why we are not smart enough in Ny to only sell urine out of our CWD free herds in our own CWD free state?  If they are that worried about this why would they not try to help Ny business people and keep Ny money in Ny and on the tax roll.  They cant stop farmers from collecting and selling urine but they could charge someone if they see them dumping it in the woods....like the DEC is going to ever do that!  They cant stop you from having it in your pocket and putting a little dab under you armpit if you feel so inclined. Its a pretty stupid law if ya think about it because it will never be able to be enforced.

Like Doe said, they have a few things on their radar that hunters might be interested in. Jump on there and give them your thoughts on the urine ban and the list of others.

[chas0218]

Here is a link to all proposed regs.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/propregulations.html

[Doewhacker]

1 hour ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

They cant stop farmers from collecting and selling urine but they could charge someone if they see them dumping it in the woods....like the DEC is going to ever do that!  They cant stop you from having it in your pocket and putting a little dab under you armpit if you feel so inclined. Its a pretty stupid law if ya think about it because it will never be able to be enforced.

That was part of me email to them, why waste time on an unenforceable rule. So stupid on their part to even bring it up.

[nyslowhand]

16 hours ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

The DEC has about nothing to do with deer farms...Thats where the problem sits i believe..as they should'nt!!!

Thanks for correcting me! Maybe ... The USDA should put "deer farms" into two separate categories??  One for harvesting the venison for resale and another for those that only extract a whitetail's by-products (urine), also for resale. With different testing requirement for each. Like you're idea of controlling the sale of urine based products to only NYS products and restrict inter-state sales of the same

BTW - Also in that same issue of NYON or within same article (IDK), there was mention of the DEC redefining their current feeding/baiting regulations. Mainly so they can enforce it w/o hesitation after the Sullivan Co ruling. Possibly NYON misquoting or merely sensationalizing an otherwise unnoteworthy news event? An example was given of the people that put out bird feeders that might attract deer would now fall under the new baiting/feeding definitions & be prosecuted.

My issue is NYS DEC's knee-jerk reaction to the situation that happened in the upper mid-west decades ago and the very isolated event in central NY (Oneida Co?) concerning escaped deer from a high fence farm. Has to be some facts involved and not merely an arm waving reaction! Government at its' best... (sarcasm!).