Democratic Socialism & How It Is Implemented

[Mr VJP]

This is where the country is headed, and why it's headed there.

http://patriotpost.us/alexander/201...socialism/

Pure facts by the way, for anyone who can't identify one.

[Mr VJP]

If those elected to national office, regardless of political affiliation, fail to abide by their oaths to Support and Defend  our Constitution, particularly its limitations on the central  government which have been disregarded for much of the last century,  then we, the people, will restore the integrity of our Constitution, as  is our right and obligation. Rest assured, there will come a time for choosing as outlined by Ronald Reagan, and that time must come.

One might recall that our Declaration of Independence and  Constitution were the product of civil disobedience and revolution  against a lesser form of tyranny than that imposed today. In the words  of Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, "The tree of Liberty must be  refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

For those whom such notions offend, I offer these words of parting  from Samuel Adams: "If ye love wealth better than Liberty, the  tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from  us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity  forget that ye were our countrymen!"

[steve863]

Is Obama the first US president with socialistic type ideas??  NO freaking way.  FDR implemented way more socialistic programs than Obama ever will.  It all started 78 years ago in 1933.  I would have figured the republicans would have done something about it since they have such a fear of socialism?  Where have you republicans been for all these years?  I have a few hunches actually!  LOL  You guys had Ike for 8 years, Nixon & Ford for 8 years, Reagan and Bush sr. for 12 years, Bush jr for another 8 years.  That adds up to 36 years.  Since 1945 when FDR died, you guys have had the presidency for 36 out of 66 years which adds up to the majority of years.  What have you boys done to stamp this plague of socialism out??  Not a hell of a lot it seems.  Some here simply bitch for the sake of bitching.  That is pretty much it.

[Mr VJP]

1.  Presidents don't have the power to spend money or make laws, Congress does.

2.  During that 66 years, Democrat Presidents have had Democrat controlled houses of Congress twice as often as Republican Presidents have had Republican controlled houses.  I.E. Willing accomplices in money spending.

3. Once money is spent after Congress makes it law and the President signs it, it is gone and can not be retrieved.  Which is exactly what Obama did when he had a Democrat controlled Congress for two years.

4. The American people had enough, threw out enough of the spendthrift Dems in the House to put a stop to Obama's spending.  But they left the new Republican House with the task of trying to prevent future spending, and unable to reverse socialist laws like Obamacare because they do not have control of the Senate.

5.  When, on rare occasion, the Republicans do have a sitting President with a Republican House and Senate, they pass laws to reign in the Democrat installed government bloating and wayward spending as much as possible.

But the Democrats are like thieves who steal from the taxpayers and pass the money out to their supporters as fast as they can, so getting it back later is not even possible. 

The idiot electorate never seems to realize things are not as simple to fix as they are to break.  That's why they keep electing Presidents like Obama and regretting it later.  Because each time a seriously Leftist President takes power, with a willing Democrat Congress, their zeal for pushing a socialist agenda is boundless, and in most cases, unconstitutional.

This is not bitching.  This is an attempt, though obviously futile considering some of the readers on this forum, to shine a light on reality and expose the path America is on regarding it's future. 

What good does it do to complain about where you think we've been, if you can't see where the present events show we are going?

[virgil]

another propaganda article from another 'reliable source' presented as fact- you really are a broken record.  and a picture suggesting that our President should be compared to Hitler and Stalin- you really should be ashamed of yourself.  now you're just showing yourself to be a complete crackpot not worthy of being acknowledged.

[Mr VJP]

Talk about just posting opinion without facts.

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Why is it you never address or challenge any of the issues in the articles I post with some factual information to prove it wrong, if you are so sure it is?

I don't write these things.  I post them because I believe they are thoughtful, intelligent, commentary on current events.

You are free to disagree with them all you like, but attacking me personally is just, as I have pointed out in the past, mean spirited, mindless insults from a fool.

These posts rile you because you don't agree with them, but haven't the ability to factually debate them.  Resorting to personal insults without any reference to the article is an admittance you have no knowledge of the subject matter at hand.

It would be better if you sulked on the sidelines rather than reply to my posts like that.  That way we could keep the thread civil, like the progressives claim they would like to see happening these days.

[virgil]

i can't be bothered addressing the specifics of the nonsense that you post- it's so absurd that it doesn't deserve a response.  and, stop trying to play victim.  your tactic is simply to sling mud and see if any of it sticks- and, you have a group on these forums who eat it up.  then, you're quick to go on the defense and claim that you're being attacked the second anyone calls you out.  and, exactly what would i be 'sulking' about?

[Doewhacker]

How very un-American of you Vjp, I'm not surprised though, it really does seem you hate our country and come acrossed as very un-patriotic and un-American the more you post this over the top stuff. Oh well if you need me I'll be in the camping section loving America.

[nyantler]

1.  Presidents don't have the power to spend money or make laws, Congress does.

2.  During that 66 years, Democrat Presidents have had Democrat controlled houses of Congress twice as often as Republican Presidents have had Republican controlled houses.  I.E. Willing accomplices in money spending.

Now.. I would like to hear your response to this Steve.

[steve863]

and, stop trying to play victim.  your tactic is simply to sling mud and see if any of it sticks- and, you have a group on these forums who eat it up.  then, you're quick to go on the defense and claim that you're being attacked the second anyone calls you out. 

Exactly my thought.  If he doesn't want to be attacked, he shouldn't post the constant BS.  A pile of dung will usually attracts flies, won't it? 

[virgil]

he wants to be attacked.  it makes his sense of paranoia feel justified.

[steve863]

1.  Presidents don't have the power to spend money or make laws, Congress does.

2.  During that 66 years, Democrat Presidents have had Democrat controlled houses of Congress twice as often as Republican Presidents have had Republican controlled houses.  I.E. Willing accomplices in money spending.

Now.. I would like to hear your response to this Steve.

Why do you want my response??  Can't you figure it out for yourself?  If the people voted in the democrats more often than the republicans for the house and senate seats what does this tell you?  Maybe the majority of this nations society doesn't have the same paranoid fear of some of these socialistic programs as you guys do?  So what makes you think YOUR way of thinking is absolutely right and theirs is absolutely wrong??  We are a democracy where people vote in their representatives.  Thinking that YOUR views are the only ones to be taken seriously while all others are to be discounted tells us more about YOU than it does about anyone else you guys feel like condemning.  I feel sorry for you guys that you can't figure simple things like this out.

[Mr VJP]

I have no problem with being attacked, but it doesn't do anything to advance your side of the issue.

I realize at least half of America doesn't agree with what I post.  But half of the country does.  What I would like to see is commentary for the Leftist half explaining their side of these issues, because in all honesty, I can not fathom what in the world they are thinking.

As far as my patriotism goes, let me try to explain something.  I love this country, as does my entire extended family.  Many of us have served in the military with great honor.  Many of my nephews are currently serving.  My sister is a Lt Col. in the USAF today.  My father, brothers, sisters, uncles and cousins have all served honorably at one time or another.  One was a Lt. Col in the USMC who flew fighters from Korea through Vietnam.

And we all have one thing in common.  We are not happy with the current administration or the entire US Government for that matter.  The direction and path this country is currently taking is wrong and we feel we have more than earned the right to speak freely about it in any forum we choose.  Those that try to silence us have no belief in the first amendment, or America as it is meant to be, and always has been.

If you are offended by what I post, it doesn't concern me.  Offense cannot be given, only taken.  If you haven't got the guts, or ability, to post your side of an issue intelligently, you are the one who is shamed.

[steve863]

And we all have one thing in common.  We are not happy with the current administration or the entire US Government for that matter.  The direction and path this country is currently taking is wrong and we feel we have more than earned the right to speak freely about it in any forum we choose.  Those that try to silence us have no belief in the first amendment, or America as it is meant to be, and always has been.

Maybe you should tell us something we don't already know about you for a change?  Yes, you have that right to speak and so do others.  No one here is taking that right away from you.  You simply need to understand that your posts will not be agreed to by everyone here and they will then probably let you know about it.  Real simple.

[Mr VJP]

But they are not letting me know anything about the substance of the posts.  Only that they are unhappy I posted it by resorting to insults and personal comments, non of which give any clue as to what you guys think on the issues.

   

Here's something I will tell you about where people like me are coming from that can be discussed at great length as well.  As a matter of fact, all of my posts are coming to you from this viewpoint.

 

Our view is that liberalism is a mental disorder characterized by narcissism, victimhood and paranoia. Its end result will be the apocalyptic Nanny State and a long, slow collapse into third world status. 

[virgil]

  But they are not letting me know anything about the substance of the posts.  Only that they are unhappy I posted it by resorting to insults and personal comments, non of which give any clue as to what you guys think on the issues.

   

Here's something I will tell you about where people like me are coming from that can be discussed at great length as well.  As a matter of fact, all of my posts are coming to you from this viewpoint.

 

Our view is that liberalism is a mental disorder characterized by narcissism, victimhood and paranoia. Its end result will be the apocalyptic Nanny State and a long, slow collapse into third world status.      Like I said, not to be taken seriously.    But they are not letting me know anything about the substance of the posts.  There is no substance to most of the things you post- it's pure paranoid propaganda.  That's why they are not dignified with a response.    Our view is that liberalism is a mental disorder characterized by narcissism, victimhood and paranoia. Its end result will be the apocalyptic Nanny State and a long, slow collapse into third world status.      Just comical.  Again, not worth dignifying with a response.

[steve863]

Well, I reckon you might know a thing or two about mental disorders so I won't argue with you about that.  Did you read my first post on this thread??  Republicans did HAVE control of the whitehouse and both houses for 6 years in the recent past.  I had the same question on the thread talking about Obamacare.  Where were they and why didn't they try to turn around this socialistic plague you fear so much??  We have yet to hear an answer from you on this.  Other than boasting that your posts and links are factual and the Gods honest truth, and that liberalism is nothing but a mental disorder you side step any direct questions every chance you get.

[nyantler]

Demacrats took over the house in 2007

Unemployment was 4.6% in 2006.. 4.6 in 2007... 5.8 in 2008.. 9.3 in 2009... 9.6 in 2010

Republicans take over in 2011 and unemployment as of Feb. 2011 8.9%

just an observation

[Mr VJP]

Virgil, if you haven't got the guts, or ability, to post your side of an issue intelligently, you are the one who is Non compos mentis and shamed.

What you are doing is posting a "no response", response.  Perhaps you are not aware that in fact, you are responding, but not in a relevant way.  It's called misdirection.  Trying to divert attention from the issue at hand, hoping to obtain allies in vain attempts to disparage posts you have not been able to challenge.  It's sad.

[Mr VJP]

Steve, maybe my responses to your questions don't appear on your PC screen, but I see them on the threads posted right after each question you asked.  If you see them, but don't think they answer your questions, perhaps you need to enhance your reading comprehension skills above a negative I.Q. level.

[First-light]

VJP,

We all clearly understand where you stand with your politics. Wouldn't it make more sense to post the articles on a more dominate Democratic site? This site is probably 90% republican, you would get more bang for your buck. I'm in the minority here on my political views, and really don't want to engage on a hunting website. Actually I think it takes away from the site as a whole. I know there is a thread for politics and if I don't like it, don't read it. JMHO. Joe your #'s are correct about unemployment but nobody saw the crash coming in 2009. #'s would still be the same if a republican was in office-don't you think?

[nyantler]

Well we don't know that they would be the same for sure.. it was just an observation though.. I'm not saying one has anything to do with the other.. just thought is was interesting... another observation would be that Republicans had the house during the Clinton years and financially the country was at one of it's best times... does one thing have anything to do with another?? Can't say for sure.. but very interesting