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Why is it so important for one group or another to tell other people what they should love or how precious something in their life has to be. Shouldn't people who do not realize this already be left to decide whats best for them. I've heard the term every life is precious, well yea to me every life in my family, and in my circle of friends everylife is precious, and thats fact based on the care our children recieve and family they are surrounded by, it all just happens naturally and thats the way it should be, it never needed to be taught, never really needed the church to tell us it had to be that way. But im sorry i have a hard time getting all choked up about every baby born every second all around this vast world or even all around this huge country. Their are over 7 billion of us on this ball and this is a new record just broken about a year ago. And we are populating at an unstoppable rate that shows no signs of even slowing any time this next century. This precious form of life, the human race, should every single baby be born everywhere because as someone stated it might just turn out to be an amazing person one day or an upstanding citizen, or this person might find a cure to cancer or be the next Mike Jordan. I think with the numbers i just mentioned we have pretty much saturated the odds of getting the best of the best out of the human race. How many more people do we need to make to be certain we dont miss out on the next Michael Jordan. These are questions we should be asking that are probably as important as to wether a women should or should not have choice, or what the dads role should be in this thing or how it can be put up for adoption anyway.

We will not beat Cuomos safe act by vote or its perceived lack of popularity, it will have to be beatin in the halls of justice because the safe act is just illegal and unconstitutional. What the publics opinion on an issue is doesnt make it legal.

Here is my two cents. I have 4 generations of teachers in my family (8 teachers in all ranging from a PHD college professor to a shop class teacher in three separate states). From my great grandmother down to my wife (she does not currently teach). I don't know that its a issue with any one particular thing. My great grandmother had a class of 50 and never had issues with outbursts or obedience my wife routinely had issues from A-Z while teaching. Its a reflection of society. We don't VALUE education as a society. That is reflected in parenting and which kids "show up" mentally. Some will say we do value education and point to college and the number of grads. But college is just as much of an issue as the high school system. I know a lot of kids who were steered away from vocational paths because they were "too smart" myself included. When in all reality a lot of those kids probably should have gone on to work a trade. Vocations, Trades, apprentice ships are not given enough value in my opinion and are looked down on. At the same time I saw many of those same kids enter college with me. 90% of the kids that entered my program (chemistry) dropped out. A large portion of which i think was due to the perception that they had to go get a college degree when in reality there time would have been better spent pursing another path. The cost of college is outrageous. I went to a state school and i can not even start to comprehend how someone can afford a private tuition. We need to sit down and determine is it really worth the investment. I think the debt we stat out with often far out weighs the benefits of the degree. As for a Degree my relative who is a professor once told me get your PHD you don't need to be a genius just persistent. He was absolutely right. I have worked with a lot of PHD's, some are brilliant but i would say i could run circles around just as many. I am not in favor of tenure. No one should ever be that secure. That is the reason a great deal of people are able to keep there jobs when they should be removed. Removal is still not the end of it. I know of a elementary administrator that was given a police escort off the property with a few of her "belongings". Said administrator turned up 15+ years later on the first day of school to teach one of my wife's classes at College. Every teacher should have an evaluation. There is no logical argument against this. As much as i think sports are a good thing it needs to be a pay to play situation. You or your parents want you in a sport, put your money where your mouth is. The last town i lived in had a beautiful sports complex but was photocopying books because they didn't have enough. Academics first and foremost once they are top notch then focus on the sports programs. Do away with standardized tests, there pointless. You end up teaching to meet the test not learn the material. And make it easier for kids to move ahead or fall back. To many kids are limited or not challenged enough by the curriculum while others are pushed along when they should not be. Enough with the square pegs in the round holes.

Sorry im a history junky. A very dear friend of the family had a brother who served in korea. he was on the river during that time frame. his last journal entry stated ' we are holding the river for now. there is alot of movement on the other side. we'll be fine unless they decide to cross' he was kia the next day. it is small thing like that, that keep the bigger picture in perspective. like the saying goes, 'those who dont learn and respect history are sure to repeat it'

If it's doing so well , why are there so many County board members and Sheriffs against them .? someone is fudging the numbers !

Good lord, the topic title made me think you were pregnant. LMAO, just kidding lil bro. very cool.

They would probably say they wish they hadn't been born.

Its ok Geno, some guys are so on edge now that they think the NY Drive Act thread is real lol

That includes millions of rounds of ammo too.

"some deer i SEEN on my lunch break" ? !!! Sorry Red, ol' buddy...I'm going to have to report you to the GRAMMAR police. YO ! EARLY ! Are you paying ATTENTION here, Hoss ? We have another violator.

After seeing deer like that I'd be useless once I got back to work. I'd be thinking about getting a european skull mount vs shoulder mount instead of TPS reports!

done....It's oh so wonderful when they leap out of the box at face level...lol

Lets just say its gonna be a long day, lol. St. Patties parade and Monster Jam. Rosies pub, kitty hoynes and colemans, then the dome, and back tracking.

Again...you and I view life differently. You ask"why is it so important for one group to tell another "What" it should love. I consider the "what" a who. And I guess you can't make anyone love an unborn child but I think the child at least has a right to be born. A right to life. You make the case of over population. China has a remedy for that and I hope you don't agree with it but who knows maybe you do. And the case of "well the odds of getting the next Michael Jordan or the next super awesome person are soooo slim". Well sorry sits but thats just some silly sh..t. I don't even know how to respond to that one. "Sorry Ms. Jones our test indicate that your child will just be an average human being." Thank you Dr.... in that caseI'd like an abortion??? You just have a colder, more callus view of life than I do. No changing it. Its who we are.

Honestly, about 4:30am on May 1st. Certainly not what most will do but I've lost "it" a little for gobblers. Family constraints, work, fuel prices and changing times have done that to me. As stated for years, YMMV. I wouldn't criticize anyone for doing it, just don't mess with them too much.

I have to say that im proud to be a NY'er because we can actually have a conversation about this. I have been on other forums where this subject has come up and things turn ugly real fast, I mean people threatening to kill each other and stuff!

Oh so YOUR the lucky one im competing against!!!! LOL

Ants....... that is a mute question ,... see I planned my children to the point that for the first I told the Dr I was having a girl and she would be born between the 6 and 9th of May...He laughed and said it was impossible....I went into labor on the 7th and delivered on the 8th...which happen to fall on Mothers day that year...for the second I told the Dr it would be a boy and born on my birthday.Once again he laughed ...said the lightening doesn't strike twice....Well in my planning My sister came for a surprise visit from Oregon...she got me one day off my plans...Our son was born the day after my birthday...although I did go into labor and the Dr.s office on my birthday...At that time they told me I had another week before I'd deliver....the next day I called again...they laughed....When I showed up at the office having contractions every three mins....they weren't laughing and rushed me to Strong Hospital...I never made it to the delivery room...Being a planner and knowing what I want and when...We made sure that these two kids would be the only two kids Now I know what you were really fishing for and have no problem being open in saying that had I been in high school or even college and an unplanned pregnancy would have occurred...hind sight being 20/20 knowing my life as it was then...... yes there would have been an abortion....I can say that knowing that if it hadn't happened I would not have the two wonderful kids I have now...and I wouldn't have heard them both even though 3 years apart say Thank you when they graduated from high school...I can say that knowing in my heart things would have been bad for not only a child but myself...so there's the hindsight you were looking for...I'll make no apologies for that.

No Joe, repro specialist i suppose. Embryo transfer and IVF is my game. Pav- i do the heads at the farm. Not usually the worst smell around.

Thanks for all of the kind words. Didn't make much sense that they would deny it, but they did initially, even after I called and appealed. I work for a large company and I am lucky to have access to senior leadership. Was chatting with my boss (a Director) and she made a call to our VP of HR at 4:15. 15 minutes later...got a call from Express Scripts. They apologized and stated that it should indeed be covered under the plan - and that it shouldn't have been denied in the first place. Going to get the prescription and the new formula first thing tomorrow from the doc's office and the pharmacy.

We, gun owners/hunters are a tiny pimple on the ass of NY. there is no changing or swaying polls in our favor. If you think I have a defeatist attitude it's because I live in a suburb of NYC my whole life. People look at me like I am nuts when I tell them my hunting exploits.

Ants you seem to have a problem with the terms used! I even posted the def so you would learn something, but being that you are so closed minded you refuse to read and except facts. I didnt make up the term fetus so i dont get your beef with me. As far as a man goes if he is not capable to move on and find a new woman to start a relationship and family with maybe he would not have been a good father anyway.

I have pics of guns all over my phone, notebooks, ect... i prob would get suspended if i wasnt homeschooled... as you can of course tell im NOT a "normal" 15 year old guy.... im one of those crazy wackos who kill bambies and shoot horrible bad "assault" rifles... LOL