Doc

I can't say that I really disagree with some of the comments here. I know human nature, and people have gotten damned apathetic when things outside their personal experiences are concerned. The one thing that I might complain about regarding our gun advocacy groups is that they seem to stay pretty much focused internally. We have not mastered the art of talking to all gun owners. It still remains a case of preaching to the choir. We are great at talking to each other, but nobody has figured out how to effectively get the message across to the disorganized and non-affiliated masses. And so far, I have not seen any evidence that there is an effort to do so other than the public demonstrations. I must say that the anti-gun people are much better at this than we are. However, this does not mean that I am ready to throw in the towel and give up in frustration. That's just not in my make-up. I won't be rolling over for anybody and certainly not the likes of that Cuomo creep.

So, that's it???? ........... 31 pages? I don't think that is even close to a new record. I thought we were on the brink of making huntingny.com history with this one. By the way, does anyone know what the record number of pages is?

What make of ammo is that? What is the purpose of the clip? Does that take the place of the Styrofoam block that usually holds the cartridges in place inside the box?

The little light switch did work ..... thanks. That's one problem fixed.

That didn't work for me. However, Elmo's fix with the little light switch in the upper left corner od the reply box does work.

Have you ever considered a career in wood working? You seem to have some natural talent for it.

It was hard to watch at times. Just a little too close to reality. I'm not sure how much "glorifying" was going on there. I can't picture anyone thinking, "Gee I wish that was me".

Bill- have a great time. I am not lucky enough to coming down that way anytime soon, but it sure does sound like a good time.

Lol ...... For some reason, that 15 weeks doesn't really make me all that happy. That sounds like an awful long time.

Lol!! pretty transparent isn't it?

So far this does seem to be the only site that has that copy and pasting issue. I have other related problems between this site and Explorer. If I highlight a large block of text for deletion, font change, or any other format change, it will not do it. Also the emoticons can't be transferred into a message. Probably they are all related to the same flaw.

Do not get me wrong, I am not saying that we should be sending emails and letters and phone calls telling him not to pull off his bribery attempt. I am simply saying that we don't have to kiss his ring for him to do it. I have heard all kinds of suggestions here that we should be thanking him and his cohorts for their graciousness. I say, the hell with that! As far as trying to convince other signers of the SAFE ACT to back Cuomo's crossbow proposal, fear not ..... all his minions will march in lock step with or without your letters. In fact the less they hear from you the more desperate they will become to cancel out your resentment for the SAFE ACT. And now a word about competing voter issues. I believe that the NYS legislators really stepped in it this time. Almost any other piece of gun control legislation would never galvanize the gun owners as much as this so-called SAFE ACT has. Here even a year later we have huge demonstrations from gun owners still taking place. Frankly, I have never seen anything like it. Hidden in this travesty, is a huge opportunity if only we have the intelligence and spine to take advantage of it. We have an opportunity to equate gun control with certain political death. We may have the one historical event and issue that will pull adequate numbers of gun owners together as a solid block of dedicated voters. We may be able to send that message, and send it so loudly that the effects will be felt for decades..... literally decades! It's all been dropped in our lap if we can develop and organize it all and pull off an historic upset. Remember the message: "A vote for gun control is a huge block of votes that you will not get". We want that to become a political fact that will be accepted for years. That message will never be sent if gun owners begin to waver on that resolve and begin splitting votes throughout a myriad of other issues. A historic opportunity, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, will have been lost. The continued attacks on gun owner's rights will be emboldened and accelerated because it will prove that politicians can slap our faces without any cost. And by the way, if we can pull off this upset, politicians will be put on notice that the voter is king in other areas of governance as well. It all goes well beyond just gun issues. It puts the fear of God back into politicians and would re-establish a level of enforced respect for the independence of voters.

We also have a sticky thread on this forum that gets into the details and surrounding info regarding the SAFE ACT: http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/14386-the-new-ny-gun-law-sticky-ny-safe-act-faq-petitions-lawsuits-info-links/

I'm one.

As far as I am concerned, the SAFE ACT is the ONLY issue this year. This is exactly what this little bone that Cuomo is throwing us is intended to do. It is an attempt to dilute the solidarity that this issue now enjoys. It is a piece offering to soften the focused opposition that the SAFE ACT has drawn. It remains to be seen whether this veiled attempt works on us or not. This is not a time for pacifism, little thank-you notes and cozying up to the known enemies of the 2nd Amendment. Yes I hear all the talk about making nice-nice to these people that a mere one year ago slapped our faces and have been so-far rubbing our noses in it in the courts, and then hoping that we can somehow re-kindle the focus of opposition to these very same people. Those people do not need our gratitude for anything. Their motives are clear and far from honorable, and they will undoubtedly continue on that course with or without our bowing and groveling thanks. They believe that they are putting something over on us (and maybe they are). If you really think you have something to be thankful for, just understand what the real price for this is. I'll guarantee you that Cuomo and his partners have already fixed that price. I am hoping that the bitter resentment that most gun owners feel against these politicians will result in enough passion to create new voters that have never voted before in their lives. I am looking for enough resentment of that midnight raid on our rights to make gun owners put aside prior commitments to be sure to get to the polls to vote those gun-grabbers out. I don't want any of that to be watered down with gratitude for anything that Cuomo does between now and that next election.

I really like these demonstrations of solidarity. They also are activities that keep the back-lash to the SAFE ACT in the spotlight and in everyone's mind. Of course the real act of solidarity that will count will be the next election and a universal response of an election that punishes those who voted for this slap in the face that all gun owners took a year ago. We need that vote to go our way to send a clear message to all politicians that support of anti-Second Amendment becomes a serious threat to their careers. We need to get behind our shooting sports advocacy organizations to assist them in carrying out their efforts to get out the vote and to see to it that every gun owner understands what's at stake. It's very obvious what happens if we fail. These signers of the SAFE ACT have to have an attitude adjustment, and it has to be one that other politicians can plainly see.

Here is some more important info For those who are not sure who their state legislators are, here are the links to where you can find out: http://www.nysenate.gov/ http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?sh=search

This coming election is one of the easiest ones on record when it comes to voting against those who have demonstrated a disdain for the 2nd Amendment. One year ago, we had the SAFE ACT passed where each of the candidates put their position on the record. One single vote told us all we have to know in terms of who are friends of gun owners. We have a thread called "Lest We Forget" on one of the gun legislation forums here that shows that voting record http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/17272-lest-we-forget/ . This could be called the "Lazy-man's election" for gun owners, because the hearts and minds of legislators regarding the 2nd Amendment is written down in black and white for us. It's going to be real easy this time around.

Well, I saw one up on the state land, and wondered why the guy would leave it there with all the theft and such that goes on over there. He left it up all through gun season. I still think he was goofy risking something that expensive, but now hearing what the weight of those things are, I can see why he didn't haul it in and out......lol. Sounds like this treestand hunting has turned into some major work. I thought the climbers and portables were a pain but hauling 80 to 100 pounds up that hill, would certainly be out of the question. Of course, I have come down out of the trees for a few decades now so my interest is more curiosity than any intention to ever use one.

Just out of curiosity, what does a 20' ladder stand weigh? And, do those things really break down into a small enough package so that you can get them through heavy brush? When you take those things in to set up, that's pretty much all you can carry at one time right? I mean, can you take the stand, a back-pack and your bow all at the same time?

Here in Ontario County, we do keep getting these periods of thawing where all or nearly all of the snow goes away. I think the year has been harder on people than it has on the wildlife here. Yes, I have been plowing way more often than in recent years. But in the larger picture of several decades, there have been plenty of real ugly years that make this one look like a real example of global warming....lol.

So far, the coverage on TV that I have seen has been super-positive, and maybe even with a supportive tone to it. I was surprised.

I was wondering about that. Does PA require ID to purchase ammo?

Josh Turner is a favorite of the modern generation of country singers. But I still like the older people of country and bluegrass. But probably my all-time favorite album is by The Trio, first version, with Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt. I also have every album that the Everly Brothers ever made. probably the best technical singers and song writers of my time. Frankly there is some classical instrumental stuff that I like listening to when in the right mood, And I have some Dave Brubeck and Al Hirt albums. Mannheim Steamroller is another that I have a large collection of. I also have a very huge collection of late 50's and early 60's music (music of my teens). About the only thing that I absolutely can't stand is something that really isn't music at all ..... that would be Rap or as I call it, "chanting". And I never did warm up to acid rock, in fact that is what drove me away from rock and into country music. Can't handle that squealing, ear splitting, guitar noise.

Just got home from watching Lone Survivor and I would recommend it. It was a pretty intense movie once it got moving.