Foggy Mountain

Never seize

I’m pushing for no argument. Not saying guys aren’t good. Points to consider is all I’m bringing up. Now anyone confident ought to welcome a discussion.

Yea well we’ll never learn everything. I’ve been at it not much less than you. Here’s the thing though. You really think that matters? A friend of mine one time retired. We became friendly after he started a job w us part time. Do we decided to go on a bowhunt. I never heard him mention anything about being successful. I flat out asked him. He said last deer he took he was 17, over 40 years ago. Guess that 40 years must matter right? I placed him in a spot I figured would be good. Historically opening weekend it was. The man shot a spike with his bow and was tickled. My point to this is only time spent means nothing. There’s guys with much less time with way more real experience. Some guys dabble, some guys live it. Not saying you personally stand anywhere. Just a point, time means not too much unless you actually spend good time on it. Part of that is a real open mind. I believe that’s the part makes us stop growing, learning. Thinking we know it all or something is impossible. So many variations.

As far as killing gobblers in both states that’s easy and a whole bunch of guys do it. A whole bunch of guys take kids along with them and they succeed as well. Now nothing taken away from anyone but that by no means any real big accomplishment. No intent at anything negative but we can’t learn without an open mind.

Pygmy I was writing same time as you. I hope I clarified it.

Shoot I gotta clarify. I should say factual not honest. That’s be a better description. I no way believe anyone is trying to be dishonest. It’s the facts or the inability to understand them that has you off. I know you’re trying to help. That’s good. But it’s obvious you don’t know what you don’t know.

Apparently you don’t want to go back n forth cause you can’t back the argument with honest information.

Doesn’t matter where you go try squirrels. Can’t be simpler than that

Me too brother.

There’s no such thing as actually calling long range. Really that can be looked at any range. To be clear it can be done but you’ll never “call” any bird with other things on its mind. About the only common thing that’ll change their mind is gobbler sounds, fights, yelps and rattles and than not always. Realize everything is relative. Some areas just in general they’ll need to cover more ground. Big woods areas are one place that happens because everything is spread out. Long range though they’d most likely have zero options near them. Any call that projected into their area would work “if” they were of the right mindset. Often they aren’t. Best to look at calling not as calling but as persuasion, coaxing. Be where they are going before them and using the calls they are responsive to, you may be able to coax them close enough for a shot. It might sound that’s negative to calling. It’s actually certainly not. The most calls and types sounds you can get out of those calls the better. The thought pattern ought to be how best to be in the right area and finish them with a call. Just like duck hunting. If they’re landing on that pond why would you try and call them from this pond? Could work but odds are diminished for sure. Location is more key than calling. My advice is roosting can happen every night you’re there. Show up a day or so early and audibly locate some. Roost one at night, start the morning at a good chance of a bang. If you don’t know the area make sure nothing like a River is between you and them. They will sometimes cross but not often. Use maps, aerial photos, etc to determine Regarding your call question. In your situation a long box would be one call I’d never be without. (Aluminum pot either). Great for long distant responses, cuts wind decently. Roosts good too. Been called a short box on steroids. Imo almost every box call is inferior in comparison to the long box. The long box has it all on them. SS and Jeff McKamey (Twisting Creek) make really good ones. A long box will do everything a short box does and do it better plus pull off another sound or two. Mainly kee Kees. Holding the soundboards on any box call (long or short) tones it down if you were worried about close range usage. The best part about what you’ve said proves these birds are easy. No one believes you can call them. Means no one knows how or even tries. Man you got an awesome chance if you locate some.

Just FYI that’s discontinued. Been so a couple years. If you like it and can get it buy more

This was a farm field as of last night. A spring pond has a good amount of mallards on it, they haven’t shown as of early this morning when I looked but it’s only 200 yards away and about 40 birds. Most of this is geese, some blacks in there too. On the other side is more blacks and mallards. I expect this to increase bird wise by tomo.

The folks in southern NY ought to consider this. We’ve got a good snow pack, it’s supposed to rain 1-2 inches Thursday. Less tomo. Where I live near the mountains typically water levels crest a day later and this will lead to flooding The migratory birds are here from what I’m seeing. Remember all the farm fields and such that have birds once they flood. Guys typically hit the same exact spots, don’t follow the leader, be the leader. Gotta follow the birds boys. The ponds, reservoirs, etc I don’t think will open. The streams can be good but food that was inaccessible often becomes accessible a day or so in these exact forecasted conditions. Plan your Sat guys. Think it may be a really good day. FYI in all hunting it’s best to keep spots or locations secret. I’ll be taking a new guy with me Sat. The conditions like this occur very seldom. You’re not giving away anything. By Monday it’ll be a muddy field again. Great time to introduce someone. Don’t pick just any field. Think of where the birds go in these conditions. I’m only posting as it’s funny but I mentioned this to two buddy’s this morning. I’m kinda surprised neither thought of it. Thought it could help someone here too. If you’re close it’d be good to check fields Friday afternoon.

My buddy Joe used his ororo vest yesterday. Was 7 degrees. He dressed as I do, vest under a wind barrier type jacket. I use a carhardt. He sat til noon when he needed to leave. Said the vest worked awesome. That’s only second hand info but he’s never lied to me

FYI for you

Answer is yes in NY. Some places I believe it’s illegal. That’s ridiculous but I saw that somewhere. I’ll try n find state.

Isn’t there an open steam nearby? You’d be surprised at how active the fish could be especially if we get a warm spell and you key in on warmest water. By Feb/March the snow flies I mentioned (early black stones) will be active. Fish will rise to them and skittering a fly down and across is a pretty deadly technique. An elk or deer hair caddis would be great for that. Get one relatively heavily palmered as it only needs be impressionistic. Make sure size is close.

I’ve never heard that. Where were they doing that? (Killing lemons) Some lines it’s a pretty common color and some are old school lines. Now I should say I, personally, don’t subscribe to “old school”. Imo once a breeder dies and doesn’t decide who breeds who the line changes so don’t misunderstand me. I’m curious though.

Very nice good luck with it

I prefer manual transmission. My daughters truck is manual and she’s had it since 16.

I realize this is an older post but fly fishing means you need to understand insects and their life stages. You asked if the “flies are the same”. Answer no although some might mimic other species or stages as well. I say stages as often fish key in on one particular stage. You can tell the way they’re taking flies. Streamers as stated would actually work and nymphs def would too. There’s the actual type that are in the water your fishing as well as just general impressionistic/flashy type. One piece of advice to help you, learn the local flies and match that. The stages take a little bit of figuring. It should be stated sometimes different insects might be visible, it’s up to you to figure which one they want and what stage. That’s important. There’s always terrestrials. Often the best in times of inactivity. Now here’s another point, water temp matters. Think about why/what. I’ll give you an easy for instance. There’s a spot near me often in March early brown stones start flying all over. I’ve even seen them active in some snow. The best fishing tends to be pretty shallow, flat, sun filled pools. They warm quickest. During mid summer you might not fish there. Ugh one more thing. The insects are in certain water types. You need to know that too. Certain species of say caddis would only hatch in a rif. Green drakes like a softer slower bottom. You need to be there when they’re active with the proper fly/stage fly. Mayflies mate and die. They become spent spinners. You’re not fishing them in fast water. Sorry to give you more than you asked but when you inquired about the “same flies” I realized you’re a little inexperienced. Fly fishing is really involved. Call a local fly shop, they often have water temps, a list of current local hatches or flies and should steer you right to start. They’ll also most likely have the gear you’d need at the store. Hope that helps

You don’t even close need membership. NY running rules are a pretty long season

Hey don’t think I’m trying to put you down. I’m only offering insight. If you want pm me and I’ll give you my number to help if I can

Couple pics. Brace of dogs from 2 day’s ago. A buddy from south, another bud and his son.

If I may I think you’re saying they haven’t been down since last year? Now is their time to shine? If so understand that’s not the way to do it. Most guys I know run dogs all year. They’re actually beyond ready come season. That goes for any dog, beagle, bird dog, coon hound. Expecting them to “learn as you go” at best leaves very limited to no chance.