Culvercreek hunt club

disengage the automatic door opener. Usually has a red handle on a rope so you can open the door manually if the power goes out. If it goes to the floor manually then it isn't a spring issue and is the travel adjustment. they are very touchy and a little bit of a tun on the setting screw goes a long way. if it goes donw and makes hard contact with the floor it thinks there is something under the door in the way and goes back up. Tyr to close manually and report back

Not yet but it is step one. Hopefully it takes the route of the other counties that added it and not the missed step paths that Ontario took

I would think that is someone is going to poach at night they arent going to use a shotgun anyway. There are more accurate and less noisey options available to them. There are currently areas of the state that allow rifles with higher population densities that Livingston and they haven't experienced increases in hunting accidents.

Missed this thread when I posted. Can't wait to take the 06 out down there.

Missed this thread when I posted. Can't wait to take the 06 out down there.

It passed!!!! Load up the rifles

a year and a half old is a year and a half old regardless of the head gear. To me, especially our here in the Northern fingerlakes, Ontario delta area, that is why AR's make no sense.

I just happen to still have a picture of the bow with Doewackers wife shooting. Beautiful shape on that.....the bow.

Who are you refering to?

6N is an area in the NZ that that only allows antlered deer to be taken in the early muzzle loading season. I thought it used to be archery too but last year it was listed as antlered only for ML

IMO Doc I think more multiple bucks are taken that DEC has documentation to support.

Don't shoot the button buck. Shoot it's Mother. ..lol.

If anyone is interested in camo for their stands I found the best thing to use is old discarded artificial Christmas trees. strip the limbs off and they attach very well to the stands. the wires make them bend nicely so you can customize the coverage. and is you catch a few on the curb being thrown out they are free. Eddie will even like that price. LOL

You can increase the number of bucks to does by killing bucks. Only killing does. Some ares maybe could benefit from an earn a buck but not statewide. NY is too varied in deer density and habitat. if you want to come out to 8C and find access you can shoot as many doe as you want, until you take a buck and then it is over. (archery only) in 8H they never give out their allotted DMP tags, most times not even in the second offering.

Where do you hunt Witty?

I remember those times as well as the times of 3 and 4 on a party permit, accumulating preference points to get one doe tag. where I hunt, if I only had one buck tag to use in any season I more than likely would go without a buck becasue I know what is wandering around. Pretty tough though letting a 120-130 class buck walk by even if you know there are bigger ones around the area. I don't think I have it in me...lol

Now to Phade's point. if NY were to change to a one buck tag structure and you didn't have a second tag, would that increase the liklihood you pass on the younger buck more? I know my standards are higher for the second buck tag. (but that is easy since the areas I hunt not only hold some good mature bucks but also very liberal doe tag numbers.

To be honest WDSWTR the average hunter will have a harder time taking the 2.5 year old and up becasue they are not the inexperienced deer they are at 1.5 year olds. (except for that brief time where they will run through a family picnic to get to a hot doe). Typically as the buck get older they get harder to take.

there are areas that do not allow antlerless take with an either sex archery tag and what about the hunters who only gun hunt?

Hey I resemble that remark!!!

MMkay. I don't put as much emphasis on the points on a rack. Where I hunt better than 50% of 1.5 year olds hold racks that current AR's would not protect so there is really no difference in the 6 point of a spike. It is still a 1.5 year old in most cases. Passing on the spikes and fours will allow more deer to make it to the 2.5 year class and become that deer that heads into that thick remote cover you talk about. The "tard" deer you talk about at 2.5 and higher is very much the exception rather than the rule. Setting up a stragedy around the exception rather than the majority of cases is flawed logic. If you pass on the 1.5's there will be more making it through with potential than the "tard" deer you are worrying about

JJB. if they had land big enough to hold the deer and had control over the ones hunting there they wouldn't need regulations for AR. They would be self imposed and no need for legislation.

What you said prior to this is fact. This last part is opinion and not shared by those that oppose AR. And that is really the sticky point in it all. Depends on what each of our definitions of "better" is.

Just a couple points. If you are starting at a 6 point next year, givine your method, does that mean the biggest buch you have taken to date is a 4 or 5 point? On the genetics. passing or taking a small racked buck will do nothing to the gene pool of a free ranging wild herd. The racks of a 1.5 year old is no indication of it's potential. it could have been a late dropped fawn. nutrition? there are many reasons the first rack can be small. You can have the best genetic rack buck in the woods doing the breeding and it still only contributes half the make up of the following years offspring. the doe contributes the other half and there is really no visible indicators of what they will be tossing into the pot. The one thing that will produce the best results for heftier deer and bigger racked bucks and that is age. The best genes in the world will do nothing if they are taken at 1.5. That said I agree with WNY that education my preferred avenue rather than a mandate of AR's. I hate to see it expanded and I still don't understand why they are needed.If what the the proponents say, "the majority support it", then why is it needed? Talk about peer pressure. How about DEC puts out a listing of hunters and what they take each year. ---Joe Smith got a 5 point with his bow and a 8 point with his gun and 2 does fawns wit the ML.