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I have known people who have gotten permission. I have also seen the dec show up to help.

Yup and then there is the going to court possibly losing your hunting privileges fines etc. Tough call for sure

Being a land owner, I have people asking me permission once in a while. When we sit and yack about it, I have granted and not granted people permission. I always have preferred the face to face. If I got a letter in the mail, unless from along ways away, I would think they really were not putting forth much effort. I have never charged anyone, but I do tell them that I would like them to help around the camp. Cut wood help with food plots things like that. I did once have a guy go to a great deal of effort to contact me. He left a note in a zip loc bag on my cable across the driveway. The note had a phone number in it and a request to please call. I called the number and it was a guy who had purchased a piece of property near mine. He just wanted to introduce himself and let me know that he bought the piece adjacent to the back of a corner of mine. he just wanted to let me know that if a deer from our place got over to his land we were welcome to go get it and he wanted permission to do the same. The best part was he left this note in early June. I invited him over in the evening and we sat and chatted. Now we have a lot of evening chats. He has to travel over an hour to get to his piece, and I have given him a key to the gate. he stays at our camp a lot and wee hunt together both pieces. The guy was sleeping in his car and hunting. Well next summer we are going to get him a camp built. I have invited a few people from this site to my camp. None have taken me up on it yet. I hunted state land for a long time before I was fortunate enough to get my place. I did well on the state land, but nothing like having a private place to go. I try to help others out as best I can. Kind of long winded just to say come ask me face to face.

Being a land owner, I have people asking me permission once in a while. When we sit and yack about it, I have granted and not granted people permission. I always have preferred the face to face. If I got a letter in the mail, unless from along ways away, I would think they really were not putting forth much effort. I have never charged anyone, but I do tell them that I would like them to help around the camp. Cut wood help with food plots things like that. I did once have a guy go to a great deal of effort to contact me. He left a note in a zip loc bag on my cable across the driveway. The note had a phone number in it and a request to please call. I called the number and it was a guy who had purchased a piece of property near mine. He just wanted to introduce himself and let me know that he bought the piece adjacent to the back of a corner of mine. he just wanted to let me know that if a deer from our place got over to his land we were welcome to go get it and he wanted permission to do the same. The best part was he left this note in early June. I invited him over in the evening and we sat and chatted. Now we have a lot of evening chats. He has to travel over an hour to get to his piece, and I have given him a key to the gate. he stays at our camp a lot and wee hunt together both pieces. The guy was sleeping in his car and hunting. Well next summer we are going to get him a camp built. I have invited a few people from this site to my camp. None have taken me up on it yet. I hunted state land for a long time before I was fortunate enough to get my place. I did well on the state land, but nothing like having a private place to go. I try to help others out as best I can. Kind of long winded just to say come ask me face to face.

i agree and we can all say what we would do or not do. but until you are in that situation no one knows. I am in an area where cell service is great. I can see the tower from my camp. I would call and do what needed to be done. Unless someone turns you in. not much will come of ti anyway.

and as I said the dec them selves say only 2 farmers got them. One in the morristown area and one in madrid area. That is public knowledge they can give you at the dec office outside canton. poachers predators and other natural occurances control this. Man never will.

How do six people get a dmp on the same land. Only one owner can claim the piece of property.

I did not realize you were so close to me, but you are still clueless. Let me come to your farm in Canton and see all these deer you boast about. I am also in St Lawrence county. I can hunt in the brasher area and see tons of deer and at my place I see less. State wide ar will never happen. In the first place the state is not in favor of it and a few elite will never get it through. I hunted in south colton for many years and saw very few deer. Now there are more there too. AR did not do that. My land is in 6c and I get a permit every 5 years or so and usually do not fill it unless a young hunter shows up and I sign it over. I do not claim land owner status never did. To me it seems like a privilege because I own a piece of land. I do not need it to control my population. How are you getting 6 dmp's in a restricted area? On that I gotta call BS. Only one per land owner and no way 5 other guys get one every year. And also according to DEC only 2 farms in st lawrence county got nuisance permits this year. You did not stop them DEC did. My land is between dekalb and gouverneur near trout lake. If you call Pierrepont the foot hills of the daks, that sure is a stretch. So if the neighbors shoot all the young bucks, what are you accomplishing? Not a thing. stop watching Michael Waddell and go enjoy yourself. If you really think you can out do Mother nature you are mistaken. I do not hunt farm land. I do not sit on a field and watch deer in it. I am in the woods in the swamps. I do not hunt over my food plots. To me that is not hunting. I do a lot of still hunting and some sitting. We do very few drives on my land. There is adequate food cover water and arrangement. My deer herd is very healthy for my area. I work hard and spend money to keep it that way.

Do not take this personally , but you are clueless when it comes to my area and I am guessing most areas. . Me seeing 25 deer is more than most do in my area. You may want to get the facts before you start telling me how t run my property.

Oops I forgot I also plant 10 to 12 acres of food plots depending on who you ask. There is tons of summer food so I planted soybeans and sugar beets. This helps them through the winter where most of my damage is done by winter kill and coyotes. You want to have a good deer herd eliminate the coyotes more than anything. They get a lot of the spring fawns

Gotta love when people post how they have the solution for the whole state when they have no clue how things are in the whole state. I am lucky to get a dmp every 5 years in my area and if I see 25 deer in a season, I am happy. Now you want me to shoot nothing but young does and button bucks. Ok I guess I buy my license and stay home then because I can not shoot either. I depend on the muzzleloader for a deer because it is either sex. I am sure you are behind your theories, but that is all they are. Most of which have been debunked and proven no improvement. The average hunter does not take the time to age and check out which deer are inferior or superior. Hell read the stories on here about the multi shot attempts at them. I and I am sure many others do not need the state or some theorist to tell me what I can shoot legally. I have 450 acres of private land to hunt surrounded by private land. If you really think you can manage that the way you think, good luck. I personally do let small bucks walk and limit doe take during archery and muzzleloading. I have seen my population get a little better. I do this not because I think shooting smaller bucks is wrong or bad for the herd. i do this as a personal choice.But when I watch them walk 15 minutes later I hear boom on the neighbors property. Now if a young hunter who has never taken a deer comes to camp, anything legal is fine. I read these posts about 1.5 superior bucks etc and I think of all the hunting shows where they sit in the stand for 3 minutes telling you all about a deer they just saw to include what it ate for lunch, Yeah right. Canned hunts are just that canned hunts If you truly want to make hunting better go pout and enjoy it for what it is, not what you want to make it into. What you do in your area is your business. What I do on mine is the same.

Shooting a deer after hours regardless of the situation is illegal. Simple as that. I know it should have some leeway but where does the leeway stop? Like I said I bet they hear those stories all the time by guys just trying to bend the laws and not for the right reasons.

Did you ever wonder how many times leo heard the story well it was suffering so I put it down. I am sure it would be to the discretion of the leo. I had a friend finish off a deer at a car deer accident. DEC showed up saw the bullet hole buddy explained what he did they ticketed him for taking deer after hours with the use of a light. It was thrown out but still it is discretionary

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We do not teach thr laws or marksmanship. It is called the.hunters safety class for a reason. Not the hunters legal or marksman class. You are asking a lot from volunteer instructors when a class is minimal 10 hours now. Sent from my LGL35G using Tapatalk 2

That would be the best thing to do. But we all know the rules are no biggie to you. Send the answers in a pm. Not the first time

Well legally the 11 year olds can not touch a firearm in NY anyway. We use the laser guns for them. Eco's come out of the academy certified to teach. None of them know how and they only teach their part that they have to do about laws etc. I was asked to become a master instructor in my area and I passed. I prefer to spend my time teaching students not instructors.

When dec comes to classes they say if that happens to call them let them know what you are doing and either they will come and assist or say go ahead and if they get a call they know what is going on. legal no but with permission yes.

oh my bad. I do all I can to stay away from that area entirely.

taking a class every 5 years will not get morons to go away. Become an instructor and teach all the refresher classes you want. I prefer to teach new students and get new hunters out. Above, I explained why that will not work.

I have failed people due to me not feeling they are safe. When we shoot, it is not mandatory to hit the target. Marksmanship is not mandatory safe gun handling is. same with archery it is not mandatory to hit the target, we again teach safety and ethics. Part of being an ethical hunter is to strive for clean one shot ethical kills. In order to do so, you need to practice shooting and get proficient. I can not fail someone if they do not hit a target. I can fail someone of they do not safety handle a firearm or do not seem like they are grasping the concepts. Unfortunately there is a lot of rubber stamping. I have worked with other instructors who have passed students who actually bombed the written test. granted some people are not good test takers. but you can sit with them and ask them questions, and they know the information. But these two had no clue. But they were a buddies kids. Well after class we have a report to complete to turn in. I asked him not to put me on the report and said I would not sign as I did not want to be associated with that class. The next time he asked me to help with a class, I was busy. Steve send me a pm and I will let you know how to get started.

In class there are 4 basic rules that we teach. They are 1. treat every firearm as if it were loaded 2. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction 3. Know your target and well beyond 4. Always keep your finger outside the trigger guard until you are ready to fire. Honestly the one that is broken the most if the finger outside the trigger guard. But as I said I could train a monkey to follow those rules and people can do so for a demonstration. They are posted in my camp. My other rules at camp are everyone knows where everyone else is. If you are at camp alone you leave a note where you are. absolutely no alcohol until you are done hunting for the day We hunt by the law and if you do not like that, do not show up. If by chance you do hunt and you do break a law shoot something illegal basically, be prepared to face the consequences. 4 wheelers are only used to retrieve a deer or in emergency situations. HAVE fun I grill people on the 4 rules. My cousin who is a few years older than I am came to camp and brought his nephew with him. His nephew took the course from me 4 years ago. I started asking him about the safety rules and he was stumbling. My cousin says to him you should know there. I looked at my cousin and asked him what they were and he could not say either. I said umm you should know them too. We reviewed them. Honestly by teaching, I find it helps me to stay refreshed. Anyone who wants to sign up for a class can do so even if they have their certificate. If anyone feels they need it feel free. I utilize those people to tell how it is. You can also go to the DEC website and do the free online course at your own leisure. I encourage students to do so after class. But in my classes at least if you have to retake it, due to losing your privileges, I am twice as hard on you and I do ask you to tell what you did and how you plan to fix it. One of my best friends in the world has been after me for years to hunt with him. Has never asked to come to camp and hunt, due to the rules. he is always after me to go with him to places he hunts. I always turn him down. This year he asked why. I said well honestly i do not feel safe around you in the woods and I do not condone the way you hunt. We are still friends, but I will not hunt with him.

Weren't the two involved in the incident last weekend from the city? Just saying.

The unfortunate part is as an instructor, I have to follow the state curriculum. This state is one of the safest as far as these incidents go. NY state pushes the fact we are one of the safest, and I doubt you will see them back peddle and say we need more intense safety courses. And honestly even if it was increased, you are going to have these incidents. A person can sit and watch all these videos and still do something stupid. The other big problem is the quality of a lot of instructors. Passing the course is supposed to be three fold. Getting a passing grade on a written test is only part of the criteria needed to pass the course. A lot is based on class participation as well as hands on work to include loading and unloading all different actions, safely handling firearms crossing a fence one and two person, range time and a lot of one on one questions during these activities. In most cases, if a person passes the written part, they are given a certificate. In theory a person could come and sit in the back of the class say nothing during the discussion times and do the minimum to squeak by get a 100 on the test and get a certificate. By no means does that make them safe. The same as taking a road test driving a few blocks with an examiner getting a license and that night going out hot rodding and killing someone. There are actually videos that should be used that do show the results of unsafe gun handling. They are available from the state for instructors to use. I use one called the last shot at every class. It is the first thing that I do. it is based on a true story that happened NY where a 14 year old lost his life in one of these very incidents by his friend. The bottom line is you can instruct until you are blue in the face. You have no control over what a person does after they leave the class. You teach principles safety rules and do your best to hammer them home. You can not teach morals ethics and legalities. You can see that on here honestly. The posts from some I see on here, if they invited me to hunt, I would turn them down as I would prefer to have my head on my shoulders when I was done for the day. It is true that the people who complete the course are statistically the safest hunters we have. But remember the course is only part of that. The youth are to be mentored and hunt with someone after they take the course. These are the people who should reinforce what we teach. If you have a poor mentor who lets you cut corners says oh don't worry about that it is ok to do it this way and quite honestly do not follow the rules themselves, who do you think the youth is going to listen to? Some guy who he spends a couple days with or his family member? We have had kids say in class especially when the DEC is there say well my dad doesn't do it that way. Also statistically when these incidents happen, almost all of them the person is in your hunting party. Think about that. And almost always there is some illegal activities going on such as shot after legal hours, one dmp in the group and everyone trying to be the first to shoot something to fill it. Competition and peer pressure are big factors. Last year in NY state there were two fatalities of this type during hunting season. The two examples I just cited were how they happened. Granted two are too many, but in the big picture, that is minimal compared to the number of people who hunt. How many times just lately have posters here said there are only a few dec officers, you can do pretty much do what you want. Does that make you feel safe? it sure does not me. Look at the cross section of people on this site. They are the people we are going to the woods with every fall. The intention of the course is to get people thinking safety and hunting ethically. You can teach principles, but you can not teach a person how to think and react in a different situations. I invite anyone who would like to help make a difference become an instructor and do so.

only if my truck battery is charged up. But I use a new method for males. create your own visual there