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I use to get there magazine it was pretty good.

180 or 190 dress has to be around 200 on the hoof. My closest is 180 on a scale bought at the store. Along with a 170 with the muzleloader. I wish I had a chance at the 170 during the bow season, when I shot him he didn't have any fat on him at all.

Saw a bunch of kids ( 3 or 4 bikes ) pulled over the other day getting tickets for riding on the road. They have been shooting up and down the road doing just as fast as a car for weeks now and I guess someone finally turned them in. Don't care if they putt up the side of the road, but flying up the road and doing donuts on the side of the road is a bit much and probably a reason why they are not allowed on the road. Came across a kid pinned under his bike in the ditch a few yrs back, lucky we came along it was on a back road in PA and he was covered in gas. Lucky for him it didn't catch fire.

NY has awesome potential to grow massive bucks if given the opportunity to reach a decent age. With that said I'm not so naive to think they will be running all over the place but it will at least give us a chance to shoot something at least in the 130's. Here are just some of the biggest killed recently from NY compared with Pa recent kills WHITETAIL (TYPICAL) 171 6/8 Orleans, NY Donald P. McKay 2008 162 1/8 Chautauqua, NY Ron D. Madison 2007 161 4/8 Monroe, NY William E. Ladd 2008 WHITETAIL (NON-TYPICAL) 221 Niagara, NY Keith A. LeVick 2007 WHITETAIL (TYPICAL) 171 4/8 Forest, PA Jeffrey A. Micco 2008 167 5/8 Beaver, PA David J. Zagorski 2008 161 4/8 Venango, PA Daniel J. Sumosky 2008 WHITETAIL (NON-TYPICAL)209 1/8 Allegheny, PA Gerald R. Simkonis 2007 195 3/8 Allegheny, PA C. Bruce Stickley 2007 188 3/8 Northumberland, PA Steve L. Butler 2007 188 1/8 Clarion, PA Eric J. Dobrowski 2007

Saw a doe today across the road from my house that had 3 fawns. So if the group of 15 doe I saw last yr across the road from my house all had atleast 1 fawn they just multiplied to about 31 deer. Should be a good yr to fill out the doe tags.

Ok - but what about the important part of my post. This demonstrates any kind of success? http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/outdoors/s_655288.html "Hunters have a far better chance of shooting a record-book buck today than ever before," Adams said. "To go from most of the state's counties having produced zero or one record-book buck to where we are now, it's a dramatic difference." That's not to say record-class bucks are roaming all over the woods. Charles Alsheimer, a nationally-recognized whitetail expert, said in one recent article that — given all of the stress factors that exist — "it is difficult to find 150-inch bucks in the wild. In many places, few, if any, exist." Such animals are "truly a freak of nature," he added. But there must be at least some out there. Pennsylvania archers have been finding them, especially locally. Of the top 10 typical and top 10 non-typical bucks taken by bowmen, 11 have been killed since 2000. Seven of them have come from Allegheny County alone. That includes the top typical, taken in Allegheny County in 2004 by Michael Nicola of Waterford, and the top non-typical, taken in Allegheny County 2007 by Gerald Simkonis of Washington. But big bucks can come from anywhere, Adams said. And hunters all across the state have a better chance of running into a big buck now than they have for decades. "We have far more bucks reaching 2 1/2, 3 1/2, even 4 1/2 years old and older now. Because of that, they're able to express more of their antler growth potential," Adams said. "In most places, hunters may not see the numbers of deer they once did. But they can see more bucks, older bucks and bigger bucks. It's a great situation for our deer and our hunters."

PA hunters aren't leaving in droves there retiring and dieing in droves. The old guard is going out and the new is coming in. http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/whitetails/2009/03/hunting-license-sales-rebound-pennsylvania http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/08/increased-hunting-license-sales-the-success-of-families-afield/ "We can explain decreases in men," said Mark Duda of Responsive Management, a Virginia firm that tracks and interprets outdoors trends. "Male hunters live in rural areas and they're aging. As to why female participation is increasing, that's more of a mystery, since it appears to span various age groups, incomes and levels of education. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07315/832774-358.stm#ixzz0w6nbSQmD

http://www.lhup.edu/smarvel/seminar/fall_2004/miles_2/pa.htm From Article Over the three year study, it appears that antler restrictions are working. Pennsylvania's doe harvest has increased by 65 percent to an average of 315,000. Buck harvest has dropped 24 percent to roughly 154,000. The yearling buck mortality has dropped from 85 percent of all bucks harvested to 57 percent of all bucks harvested allowing them to live longer and grow bigger racks as predicted. Probably the most significant finding is that the ratio of adult does to adult bucks has gone from 14-1 to almost 2-1 in just three years of monitoring (see table 1). The radio collars that were attached to the deer that were captured allowed researchers to monitor their survival. They found that nearly 90 percent of all adult bucks that survived the 2002 hunting season were still available to hunt in the 2003 season. After the first year of the new antler restrictions, the average age of all bucks harvested went up from 1.5 years to 2.5 years of age. Researchers predict that this year the average age of all bucks harvested will be 3.5. In 2003, almost half of the yearling bucks and a third of two and a half year old bucks survived the hunting season. Gary alt stated, "for the first time in my life a lot of three year old bucks are coming into the population. Moreover, according to the game commissions extensive research study, twice as many bucks are surviving the hunting seasons than had been in the past before the new antler restrictions. Of the 551 bucks that were tagged during the study, 260 of them are currently still walking the landscape of Pennsylvania

how bout 2 to 1 instead would you settle for that, see article below . Some people have already made up there minds that AR is a bad idea. We aren't going to convince you even when you start to see and shoot big bucks when AR is put in place in NY and it will be its the future of deer hunting. I'm really suprised the Taxidermy people haven't banded together and try to push for it. There business stand to make alot of money from this. http://www.lhup.edu/smarvel/seminar/fall_2004/miles_2/pa.htm http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/game_management/deer/antler_restrictions/

A big city lawyer went duck hunting. He shot and dropped a bird, but it fell into a farmer's field on the other side of a fence. As the lawyer climbed over the fence, an elderly farmer drove up on his tractor and asked the lawyer what he was doing. The lawyer responded, "I shot a duck and it fell into this field, and now I'm going to retrieve it." The old farmer replied. "This is my property, and your not coming over here." The indignant lawyer replied. "I'm one of the best trial lawyers around, and if you don't let me get that duck, I'll sue you and take everything that you own. The old farmer smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we do things in these parts. We settle small disagreements like this, with the Three Kick Rule." The lawyer asked, "What is the Three Kick Rule?" The farmer replied, "Well, first I kick you three times and then you kick me three times, and so on, back and forth until someone gives up." The lawyer quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take the old codger. He agreed to abide by the local custom. The old farmer slowly gets down from the tractor and walked up to the city fella. His first kick planted the toe of his heavy work boot into the lawyer's groin, which dropped him to his knees. His second kick nearly ripped the nose off his face. The lawyer was flat on his belly, when the farmer's third kick to a kidney nearly causing him to give up, but didn't. The lawyer summoned every bit of his will and managed to get to his feet and said, "Okay, now it's my turn." The old farmer smiled and said, "Naw, I give up, You can keep the duck!"

should start peeling off in Sept.

Where is Griswold street. It sounds familiar but I just can place it. Whats it by?

No I want to give the bucks a break and get a better buck to doe ratio. The DEC did a good enough job of controlling hunter #s by raising the price of a tag. I know of 5 people who no longer fish or hunt because of the price raise last yr. All I know is something has to be done. Last yr while hunting bow, gun and muzzleloader I did not even see a Buck (to pass up ). None, zippo, zero And I have noticed over the last few yrs a decline in the buck populations over all the areas I hunt and have not seen even a spike on state land I hunt on in 5 yrs!! Now last yr might have been just a bad yr because of how hot it was till almost the end of the season in the southern zone but I don't think so. I can remember many a 1st day of bow where it was muggy and had 6 bucks pass my stand by 9 in the morn. The buck #s just arent there anymore. Pretty soon they wont even call it deer season anymore it will just be called doe season and the Bucks will be protected. And if you shoot a spike and we are going in the same direction I might help you drag it out, but if its a big old buck that weighs alot ,your on your own ;D

I think some of the areas should have AR, like where I hunt, Broome county which has a high hunter population. The older bucks are far and few and I think most of the bucks taken are sporting there 1st or 2nd rack and if you don't take a buck by the 1st week of gun you are going to more than likely going to be eating your tag. I don't think AR would be needed in the Northern zone, there is plenty of land for a deer to hide and lower hunting population. I wouldn't doubt if there are deer in the Adirondacks that have never seen a deer hunter let alone ever been shot at.

I love people who wont shut up on there walkies. I put mine on scan and listen to where the deer are running to. If I can get there quickly you can head them off and take advantage I also like the guys you ride there 4 wheelers into the woods. I have taken a few deer thanks to these deer pushers, and then they wonder why they don't see any deer :

A big-game hunter went on safari with his wife and mother-in-law. One evening, while still deep in the jungle, the Mrs awoke to find her mother gone. Rushing to her husband, she insisted on them both trying to find her mother. The hunter picked up his rifle, took a swig of whiskey, and started to look for her. In a clearing not far from the camp, they came upon a chilling sight: the mother-in-law was backed up against a thick, impenetrable bush, and a large male lion stood facing her. The wife cried, "What are we going to do?" "Nothing," said the hunter husband. "The lion got himself into this mess, let him get himself out of it."

One day a man went into the dentist's to get a tooth pulled. When the dentist told him he needed to give him some anesthetic he refused. The dentist told him this again and he refused saying"I have experienced the 2 worst pains in the world I don't need anesthetic". So the dentist pulled the tooth and the guy just sat there and didn't even flinch. When this was done the dentist says to the man "What were those pains ?". The guy says"the first one happened while i was out hunting, I squated down to take a dump and got my Weiner caught in a bear trap".The dentist asks him what the second one was and the guy says "when I reached the end of the Chain" :D :D

Oh You Guys are making me tear up its just like old times on the Empire

Not to sure I would call him a slob, maybe he was just not thinking. Lots of people don't think a 22 is dangerous because its so small and don't think twice about tossing them around there yrd. Scary I know! I had a room mate once that would shoot of my back porch, he use to toss his Duds down in the yrd off the porch untill I started finding them. I asked him what would happen if I hit one with the lawn mower. He said he didn't even think of that and went out and scoured the grass and came up with 15. I still wince every time I mow over that spot. It's been yrs but they are still live rounds just waiting for someone to hit them just right. My managers son who was 12 at the time went to a friends house for a bon fire one time and the owner of the houses son found a dud 22 laying on the ground by the fire and kids being kids tossed it in the fire. Well of course it went of and the bullet went in just above my managers sons knee. Talk about a mess with the authorities when you bring a 12 yr old into the hospital with a bullet wound to the leg.

Two men went bear hunting. While one stayed in the cabin, the other went out looking for a bear. He soon found a huge bear, shot at it but only wounded it. The enraged bear charged toward him, he dropped his rifle and started running for the cabin as fast as he could. He ran pretty fast but the bear was just a little faster and gained on him with every step. Just as he reached the open cabin door, he tripped and fell flat. Too close behind to stop, the bear tripped over him and went rolling into the cabin. The man jumped up, closed the cabin door and yelled to his friend inside, "You skin this one while I go and get another!"

I like to let the little bucks go, I figure the faster everyone fills there tags with scrawny deer the faster I'm alone with the big boys.More often than not the buck tags go unfilled but every few yrs I out luck one of them. Besides theres twice as much meat on a 200lbs buck as there is on a scrawny 4 point. Its less work to shoot big deer to, you have to shoot and drag and butcher two 4 points for every 200lb buck I like to fill all my doe tags though, thats less scrawny deer eating my big bucks food. The way I look at it, it really doesn't make much sense to say you hunt deer for the meat. Deer meat is a bonus result from the hunt but not the reason I hunt. If I wanted meat I could fill my freezer with grade A Angus, Chicken and Pork with how much it costs today to hunt. Dont get me wrong I devoure every bit of deer meat I get. But I have to laugh when people say they hunt for meat anymore, when they are spending probably on average 600$ ( and some people a lot more) a yr for equipment and gas and processing fees and licenses and all the other crap that gos with deer hunting. A scrawny 4 point that if your lucky will give you 50 lbs of meat but probably more like 30 lbs. So if you shoot 2 of them and a small button buck you get 90 lbs of meat for 600 dollars or more depending on how you have it processed. It kills me when people ruin perfectly good deer meat by turning it into hotdogs, suasages, or whatever gimmick the local processer can come up with to get another $200 out of you. Deer Meat is now the most expensive meat on the planet.

hopefully they will think your scope is a camera and come in for a nice close look this season

My uncle bought one and couldnt get it to shoot worth a darn. He let me shoot it to see if it was just him and it didn't group any better for me either. He ended up calling it his cuss bow and selling it to some sucker. One thing I didn't like was the reseting of the string by hand, it was like doing dead lifts and not a speedy process, a crank would def make it easier but still not speedy. But in all fairness it was a rather cheap cross bow, I dont think he paid more than 300 for it and neither of us were familiar with crossbows. And I know a few women in Lousiana who use them and kill deer all the time.

A couple of hunters were out in the woods when one of them fell to the ground clutching his chest. After struggling for a few seconds, he seemed to stop breathing. The other guy quickly pulls out his cell phone and dials 911. He gasps to the operator, "My friend is dead! What should I do?" In a soothing voice, the operator says, "Try to remain calm, sir. I can help you. First, we need to make sure he's dead." Immediately the operator heard a shot. The frantic hunter comes back on the line and says, "Okay, now what?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

There he is! Rock that deer looks even bigger mounted. I thought racks were suppose to shrink overtime, that rack just looks bigger than the pics of him after you shot him.