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there's very little doubt that a big buck always draws the biggest crowd when it's hung in camp or in the back of a truck at the local watering hole or diner, as well as every hunter having visions of a nice buck stepping out in front of them, and there are many many guys who set their sites on one deer and nothing less will do..........but quite honestly, it's not what DRIVES me to hunt, I'm pretty satisfied with a doe or small buck, am I in the minority? maybe, and I'm ok with that.

I agree on that point.......guess we'll see just how important taking a mature buck -vs- taking no buck is to some guys who now find themselves short on time and opportunity.........I have zero problem with guys taking any deer of their choosing, but if they were the ones putting down guys in the past because of others deer not fitting their criteria and now they change their tune, that I will find to be total BS.

a lot of interesting comments............I always thought of a trophy hunter as the guy who would rather burn his tag then put it on a lesser buck no matter what the reason, guess not.........why not just shoot those does and let the 1.5 go another year?

no complaints from me either...........the fact that I commented on it and think it's a sh*t deal for those who it effects, and that it's a terrible way for the DEC to accomplish the goal they are after is beside the point.

yep, I think many underestimate the amount of casual hunters out there who really don't need that big of a push to just say screw it and not bother going. I know a few older guys who retired and moved out of state, but each year made the trek back home to deer hunt..........they threw in the towel after they implemented ar's and zero chance of doe tags for non residents...............I know many may say they could have looked for new areas and maybe they weren't real hunters, but at 70 plus years of age, that really wasn't possible or the case.

now I know why you said get the vaseline ready.......

no, as long as I can take a doe or two I'm satisfied..........I don't hunt for trophies.

I would guess the same people who would bend the laws because of these new regulations, have been bending them all along.......not much will change.

on L.I. you get a bonus dmp with every antlerless deer you check in........we can use all our tags during bow season, because that is considered our "regular" season.

kinda the attitude I developed the first year of AR's in my zone...........after seeing nothing but small antlered bucks, when late season rolled around, I took whatever antlerless deer I wanted, I got over it the next year......but all it takes is a bunch of guys to adopt that attitude for a year or two and it may have devastating results.

I hear the U.S. is lifting the embargo on Cuba...........hopefully they'll be available soon.

ooh, here's a good one....how about placing a bounty on does??

unfortunately, I think we greatly overestimate the amount of hunters who really follow these thing closely and really care...............and I'm sure DEC feeds off of this.

if you look at the bear season it shows 4j as archery only, but it def. looks like it's a go for muzzleloader....unless of course it is a mistake. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/35010.html

it doesn't appear to be.

I don't know what's worse, this or mandatory antler restrictions.....

many other options seem to make more sense than this if the main goal is to kill more doe...........are they banking on the fact that most hunters can't stay home when the season opens and will get out there early and start killing them? are there less hunters that care about whether or not a deer has antlers then we think? is this what they got back through the surveys?.........it only makes sense that implementing something like this for gun hunters would achieve their goal much quicker and easier. I'm not a fan of anything that places a restriction on a hunter in one area that isn't done statewide, at least when it comes to bucks.......I'm not a trophy hunter so I will go out either way and shoot antlerless deer, but I do care that it affects many in a negative way.

you beat me to it..........the DEC properties will be so beat up by the 15th that the bucks will be on high alert.

this didn't affect where I hunt, but I imagine it feels like it did when they imposed mandatory antler restrictions in my zone.

quite honestly, what bowhunter would venture out onto their hunting land for two weeks prior to being able to kill the buck they had been watching all summer and further screw up the area by shooting does? These guys are just going to sit back and wait until they can take a buck...........burn vacation time to hunt those first two weeks, why? it doesn't affect me at all, but it makes no sense the way they set this up.

even worse, for the buck hunters anyway, is you will have guys stomping around the first two weeks sending the buck that they have been watching all summer into alert mode......kinda screws up the early season ambush.

I've heard more than one person say "if I had to do it all over again I'd be a cop or fireman"...........now I know why. I've also heard that many of them retire and move down south taking with them the pension that NY pays, sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

I don't get the joke....I have quite a few black friends who are cops and firemen.

fill it out totally different then the first and send it back............