Oh and I've hit bone with the rage 2" and it blows through em. But I shoot a fast bow set at 70lbs. The 2 blades always did the job for me, so I'm excited to see how the 2.3's are. I've shot rage for almost 5 years now and I will never change. I have great faith in them and I have seen what they do time and time again. I'm speaking of personal experience. I love when guys blame their equipment first with out replaying the shot in their head and trying to figure out what it was they did wrong. Anyone who is skepital and wants to try them I say go for it. I love how they are put up against a cut on contact broad head but to be honest I have yet to see my rage NOT cut on contact. They are open upon contact and causing total devistation instantly. And honestly with blades that big, it can help make a marginal shot become a fatal one...