Five Seasons

I don't hunt suburbia, but I don't hunt the middle of nowhere either. I would guess most guys on this forum hunt within a 5 minute drive from a house or several, which means there are roads and if you hunt fields (some of us do), then you're visible to anyone just driving down a road. House or no house. On one property I border a busy road, it sucks but there are big deer there. Anyhow without fail when I put the hat and vest on to get down or I'm climbing in I get honked at. It sucks too.

I'm a global safety director. Safety is literally what I do for a living. 20k employees across the globe, billions in revenue. There's a few members that can confirm this. You know it's not the 80's anymore. We've stopped blaming employees, we've stopped adding more rules. Why? Because it doesn't work. Humans are fallible. We make mistakes no matter how hard a company tries to train and control. Study after study confirms this. That is why I'm so opposed to this. It's just another law put in place to appease someone or something behind the scenes that we can't see. What we do in modern safety is engineer out the hazards. We design a system that allows people to fail safe when we make mistakes. And honestly the great outdoors is wild. It's not a manufacturing facility that we can control. We can make laws, but we can't ensure compliance. We can train and teach hunters through education, but we can't state definitively that they will always be safe. So we do the best we can in those areas with common sense laws and good education. This law is like requiring employees to wear gloves because someone cut their hand on a sharp surface, decreasing dexterity, decreasing employee comfort and increasing cost instead of fixing the sharp surface.

Were you wearing orange when that bullet wized by? If you were, I guess it didn't matter. Did you have the choice? Yes, so if you weren't, why not? I read the reports every year and in 20+ years don't recall seeing a single incident where a hunter was shot in a tree. I have seen hunters shooting hunters on the ground and very recently a hunter shooting a woman walking her dog. But to end this bickering, your first sentence is spot on. You can't create laws for everything, yet here we are with another law that could and can impact hunters negatively without any study or statistics supporting that our safety numbers are worse than other states that have this law.

I always have as well. You're missing the point. It makes no sense to wear it in the tree or inside a blind unless you feel you need to. To be forced to wear it is very different. But hey lets talk about this early doe season and all the hikers, joggers, bird watchers and all the foliage up right now who don't have to wear orange at all. Heck a small game hunter doesn't need to either. Where's the logic there?

No that's not me. Check that thread, I haven't been in there in months. And quite easy? You think it's easy to catch people messing with your stands, honking from the road, blaring sound horns from their deck? Short of someone walking up to you and catching and identifying them on camera (good luck with getting a conviction with all this btw), there's nothing easy about it. Contrary to that, hunter safety incidents are at all time lows, which is part of the justification the DEC used to change hunting hours. They're straight hypocrites. In this divisive aggressive culture of 2021, hunter harassments is becoming more and more prevalent and not just because people feel empowered to voice their opinions in the wrong way, but because our hunting land is shrinking and houses and parks are becoming closer and closer to where we hunt.

you're in the wrong thread homie. this is about early doe, not orange.

do you have any response to the hunter harassment issue that several of us are concerned about or are you just looking at this in your own little bubble and swallowing more government koolaid?

A couple things, trespassers are breaking the law and just like the nonsense gun laws, criminals don't care, just like they never cared about back tags. And this law doesn't replace the fact that most of us wore orange anyhow. If you are on public land and hilly terrain, go ahead and wear orange. I would still have worn orange walking on my own private land, but now I'm told under law that I have to wear it in the tree on flat terrain.

Got a hold of Browning/Prometheus today and there's a firmware update that's not posted online... which I told them was annoying as now I have to go visit these 5 cams with the sd card. Odd too that this isn't something that can be done remotely. This is supposed to fix some pixilation issues too, but I'm annoyed as I specifically checked for updates before I put these out.

this has been my favorite part about cell cams. Checking without disturbing.

While I don't disagree that we're riddled in a complaint and cancel culture, this whole thing doesn't seem to have a lot of support. Sure a few guys went out and shot a doe. Sounds like some of them had dmap's anyhow. Anecdotal evidence seems most opposed just about all of these changes except the sunset and bear regulations. So what I think people are fussing about is yet more government overreach. Hunting is primal. We only exists because our ancestors hunted. Studies prove our brains began developing rapidly when we started to eat meat. So yes, we have seasons and rules to protect our species and protect ourselves but when does it stop? When does the micromanaging of our personal lives become so overbearing and reaching that people stop complaining and take action? Obviously I'm dipping out of hunting with that last statement and more into the current political climate, but damn if a guy isn't at work right now wondering if he will have to get a vaccine or lose his job, hearing his kids complain about wearing masks in school, hearing rumblings about layoffs if corporate taxes increase or how he has to work another 20 hours of OT because of labor shortage oh and where can he find ammo, what gun will be illegal next year... and he thinks to himself it's ok. Deer season is around the corner and I can rest my mind in my happy place in the woods, only to be greeted by more rules he has never had to follow, but now he does. And without any real semblance of support or facts on why they were put in place. At some point, this man's back is broke by the straws thrown on them.

I have been honked at, that's about as bad as it's been for me too. But we all don't have the luxury of private property or nice neighbors. Also, sometimes I enjoy being in the woods without all my neighbors knowing it... until I rattle their world with the .30-06 being touched off haha.

yep. Please honk your horn some more, you're saving the life of a deer

I've never hunted in blue jeans, but like you mentioned what I wear hunting I keep separate from everything else to be sure it's free from scent (the best I can do anyhow) and that uv brighteners weren't used in washing it.

My objection has nothing to do with deer. It's about other hunters. Some of us share some tight boundaries or even share land with others. I always wear a hat and vest on the ground, but I see no reason to display to the world that I'm freezing my ass off in a tree on 12/3 when the foliage is all down and I can be spotted from miles away. There is zero benefit here for me and only negative. The likelihood of being shot in a tree by a deer hunter is nearly zero, as stated by the DEC themselves. It's dumb and I cannot be convinced others. Safety is what I do for a living and these kinds of rules are what give people like me a bad reputation.

While I still don't want to wear an orange hat in my tree stand or ground blind, they did clarify that's all that's needed. Or the vest of course. Good morning, Thank you for reaching out to us. Yes, you are correct. The requirements stated below are with the conditional “or,” meaning only one of the three conditions needs to be met (and thus a hat with no less than 50% of the exterior consisting of solid fluorescent orange or pink material/visible from all directions would meet the requirement alone). Thank you, Bureau of Wildlife New York State Department of Environmental Conservation 625 Broadway, Albany, NY 12233-4754 P: (518) 402-8883 | F: (518) 402-8925 [email protected] www.dec.ny.gov | |

I was on hold for a while yesterday (monday lol). I'm going to try again today.

probably more ready than most years. Did a lot of work in the off season. Just need to continue to shoot and clean and hang clothes.

yep I've read it. And I think Wolc is right. However, I spend my life in regulatory matters and what is written on a page like this is very different from the actual written regulation that an ECON officer would use to cite you. I'd like to see what that says and again, I may be wrong but I think they intended 250 inches total. The way this is written just a hat would pass, or just a vest would pass, and that's less than many of us voluntarily wear already (both hat and vest) and that's what they teach in class iirc so seems odd. Like I said I wrote an email asking for clarification.

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You may be correct as that's how it does seem to read. I sent a note to request clarification as I hunted in a state that had this in the past and that wasn't the intent. Will report back if and when they answer. Interestingly i couldn't find the actual regulation in the state regs.

i just put out 5 ridgelines on 2 different properties and 2 are giving me issues with syncing. One has frozen twice on me now and when I went to check it, it's unresponsive. I actually have to eject the battery tray to get it to work. Ever had this issues?

this is similar to what I'm looking at. A chunk of land surrounded by ag and woods, albeit hunted by others.

Same could be said in reverse. Compared to downstate, it's dirt cheap. Compared to states in the south it's a small fortune. Everything's relative.

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