Doewhacker

That is correct and the KO2 are a E rated 10 ply, and of course the aggressive tread will wear faster on pavement. I say get them based on look.

I'll take days based on weather. I could basically work one day a week and be fine lol.

Make sure to check for rebates too, I got $70 on the Coopers and I know BFG had deals too.

That's a great deal!

I looked at the ko2's as well but I didn't think they would survive highway driving and I don't tow anything so I passed. They do look sweet though. I'm assuming you looked on tirerack etc for ratings.

Never heard of them, that doesn't help but... I had a set of Cooper Discoverer AT3's put on after I got a flat up in Maine. So far I like them, I got them specifically for when we go to Maine as much of my driving is off road there. Little noise but nothing terrible and supposed to get good wear. We shall see.

I've learned a couple things here, 1. wolc had a brain tumor that triggered his belief in JC. 2. All I gotta do is watch a movie and I'm going to heaven with a quiver full of bloody arrows and a full freezer. I'm in!

I could care less where you shoot, it ain't my walls that are the back stop for you. Lol Walk back tuning takes more space than you can get shooting indoors. You can also do it with broad heads to save a step. I recommend a good Broadhead target for that though. You could probably do that on some state land and be good to go. I prefer a combination of methods, paper then bare shaft and a simplified walk back tuning and then broadheads though I moved away from fixed a few years back.

Good to know. I had a hunch but I'm not on here enough to keep up. Lol

If it's in NY it's illegal and depressing

I bet knowing he had a big fella like you to drag all his deer out would be all it would take for Dan to pile deer up like cord wood.

Duck tape and a camo beenie hat and you can pass for Moogs son for the youth weekend.

Really you can't up it Booners for Dano? I havent even removed tags from my new camo I got at Xmas yet. I can get that 10/1 as I'm heading out back.

Have you paper tuned, bare shaft tuned or done the walk back tuning yet? I think you might benefit from one of those. It will have to be done outside though.

Final 3 of the night from 40, tonight was more of a workout. I moved a bunch of firewood rounds then went right onto shooting. Gave me a good workout and it's a good thing I don't have to move firewood before shooting a deer.

But no matter how plain and simple they (Dec) make the info some folks will still have a complaint or argument about it. It looks like the same educational info they have been putting out, apparently no one looks at their websites or guides anymore. It just goes to show that no matter how much the Dec does if it ain't right in front of some ones face it doesn't exist.

Also page's 32+33 here. http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/15huntguide.pdf

I saw a big giant display at the Field and Stream last week when I stopped in, couldn't miss it. It had pics of different age classes of bucks and stuff like this ----->

Oh yea well you're rubber I'm glue! Now excuse me I have a pack of grey squirrels at the front door that I need to fend off. Ahhhhh their bitting me ahh ahhhh

Looks like someone took too many douche pills and washed it down with a tall glass of elitist attitude.

This was the first time I did it online, just keep clicking on the tab and it will cycle through all of the hunting tag choices. Seems like a odd way to do it to me, you would think it would be a list you can check off. I also found it silly that I had to put proof of having a license before, how could I have an account and report tags with out one. lol Whatever, I got it done.

11/18 JK they are available now.

They use Vodoo or as some call it Math. Deer Management Permits (DMPs), often called "doe tags", are a critical part of New York's deer management program. By adjusting the number of DMPs available in individual Wildlife Management Units, we can influence the number of does that are taken by hunters and thus manipulate the population toward desired levels. Annual removal of appropriate numbers of does is essential for ecologically responsible deer management and is beneficial for sustaining biodiversity and maintaining healthy habitat and healthy deer. DMP Quota Setting The math involved in setting DMP numbers is actually quite simple, though the process of determining several of the variables in the equation is complex. Here is the essence of the permit setting process: Step 1. Projected Buck Take X Removal Rate1 = Total # of Adult Does to be Harvested Step 2. Total # of Adult Does to be Harvested - # Adult Does Taken by Muzzleloader Hunters and Archers and on DMAP tags = Necessary Adult Doe DMP Take Step 3. Necessary Adult Doe DMP Take ÷ Proportion of Adult Does in DMP Take2 = Total Desired DMP Take Step 4. Total Desired DMP Take ÷ Success Rate of DMPs = Total # of DMPs to Issue 1 Desired ratio of adult female to adult male deer in harvest 2 This accounts for fawns in the DMP take. The first two variables (projected buck take and removal rate) are the key places where analysis of deer population trends and management action come into play. The other variables are essentially derived from previous harvest data (for example: "Success rate of DMPs" may be a 3 year average), but we can alter these variables if we anticipate some change in how deer are harvested (for example: "#Adult does taken by muzzleloader hunters and archers" could be impacted by a regulation change). The real art and craft to deer management in New York comes through interpreting the data to project the buck take and in determining the appropriate removal rate. The process of projecting the buck take involves studying trends in buck harvest relative to previous levels of doe harvest and age structures of previous buck and doe harvests. We incorporate several population indices (bowhunter sighting log, damage levels, winter severity) and evaluate herd health and productivity through yearling antler beam diameters and ratios of fawns to adult does in the harvest. Similarly, determining an appropriate removal rate (ratio of adult does to adult bucks in harvest) requires analyzing trends in buck harvest relative to previous levels of adult doe harvest. We examine this relationship to identify a removal rate that produces stability at a given population level, allowing for neither growth nor reduction in population. The stability-level removal rate is different at different population levels and is strongly influenced by herd productivity. In some high quality habitats of New York, the deer populations can sustain high removal rates of one or more adult doe to every adult buck. In the poorer quality habitats or areas subject to harsh winter conditions, removal rates may be as low as 0.2 adult does to every adult buck. Once we identify a stability-level removal rate, we relate the current population level to the desired level. If the population is currently greater than desired levels, we prescribe a greater-than-stability-level removal rate, and if the population is less than desired levels, then we prescribe a less-than-stability-level removal rate. The magnitude of difference between our prescribed removal rate and the stability level removal rate depends on our management objective. Typically we manage for conservative changes from year to year, trying to minimize dramatic fluctuations in population levels. While our intentions usually are for conservative changes, severe winters can have dramatic and rapid impacts on deer populations. In fact, the history of New York's deer population is punctuated with periodic winter mortality events, most recently evident in 2003 and 2004. Though we account for the impact of previous winters when setting DMP quotas, we unfortunately cannot anticipate the severity of the upcoming winter. Other mortality factors such as predation, poaching, and deer-vehicle collisions do influence deer populations, but their impact tends to be fairly constant from year to year or at least the variation in their impact is minimal compared to the potential impact of winter mortality and hunter harvest mortality. Permit Selection Quota setting is only the first part of the DMP process. The next step is to get the permits in the hands of our hunters. DMPs are issued by an instant selection process at the point of sale allowing applicants who are selected for DMPs to receive their permits immediately. The system is designed to provide equal opportunity for a hunter regardless of whether they apply on the first or last day of the application period. The chances for DMP selection are determined by the DMP quota and the number of applications expected for each WMU. An applicant's chances of selection are also affected by residency status, qualification as a land owner or veteran with disabilities, and the number of preference points accumulated through previous DMP applications. For example: DMP selection example: DMP Target = 500Landowner and Veterans with DisabilitiesResidents with Preference Points Residents without Preference Points # Applicants1002501,500 # Odds of Selection100%100%10% # # Permits Issued100250150 # # DMPs remaining4001500 Actual DMP issuance is impacted by application rates, and predicting the number of applicants is not easy. Fortunately, we have been issuing DMPs for many years and can examine trends in applicant number to make reasonable estimates. Yet application rates vary, and each year we have several units which do not reach our target issuance during the initial application period. If a unit is substantially under-subscribed at the close of the initial application period (October 1 each year), we run another random selection of hunters that were denied during the initial period or, if necessary, open the unit up for a secondary application period in November. Hunters play an essential role in maintaining appropriate deer numbers in New York and our DMP system is the cornerstone of that process. DMP Trivia QuestionAnswer First year with either-sex deer hunting1952 Party Permit established1962 First year an individual could receive more than one DMP1991 Consignment of DMPs allowed2003 Greatest number of DMPs issued770,990 DMPs in 2002 Average number of DMPs issued (2005-2007)432,162 Average annual DMP success rate (2005-2007)16.2%

Same odds today as a month from now. Per the DEC website. "DMP Selection Probabilities Remain the Same through the Entire Application Period"

I remember when folks told us that there would be more doe permits to offset less bucks being killed. That hasn't happened.