Four Season Whitetail's

Ahhhh No! If he found that buck and finished it off he would have had that thing in the back of his truck and the to the P&Y scoring sheet. I cant see him finishing off a buck and then just cut his head off. You do not need to tag a rack found in the woods. Good thing as we would be low on tags from the 3 we pulled out of Letchworth this year.

Thats a bunch of bull. Regardless of what i have vested if you can show me the research that shows the whitetail deer makes and produces the CWD prion in its urine then i will be right next to ya to shut it down. You or anyone else after 50 plus years cant do that. Just because a white coat can take the prion and stick it into deer urine and injected into a mouse does not mean the deer itself can make the prion in its urine. Period!

One last time....Just because a white coat can take a syringe full of CWD prions and inject them into whitetail deer urine and then into a mouse does not mean that the whitetail deer itself can produce the prions in their urine. We have have a huge number of whitetails that were 100% positive checked for the prions in their urine and it just never happens. Ever! Now unless you can show 100% fact where the CWD prion was found in a wild or farmed whitetail deer stop throwing up a bunch of white coat research. I bet i could piss in a cup...Have a white coat inject the CWD prions into it and then stick it into a mouse and it would become a positive mouse. Does that mean that humans can make and spread the prions also??? No Facts...Just a bunch of test tube tests. Same crap thats been spread by politics for years and never proven to be reality in real life!

I dont want to hear jack squat about Most likely or What If.s. After 50 plus years of CWD being around show me the case where CWD prion was found in a farmed or wild whitetail. I would guess a deer would have to have the prion before it could pass the prion. I have heard enough of what a bunch of white coats think. I want the true facts that the whitetail deer itself proves.. 100% brain and Node tested whitetails still did not carry the prion in their urine. Up,Down or sideways. Thats not Most Likely. Thats Fact!

Now come on. You post up stuff thats 3-4 years old and then its said they are a breeding machine and will over run an area. Breeding 3 times a winter? If this were true and the case there would be sightings by hunters and campers and there would be road kills. Not to even say that they would have bred from Cortland to Watertown by now. I say Hogwash. Pun Intended!

Thats Right..Sucks for the shooter but its the same if that guy that found it was sitting in a tree and killed that buck with his arrow while the other guy was tracking it. Its a lost deer on the first shooter. Even though it sucks big time.

Exactly..Its never been found in whitetail deer urine..And if you read the words.....CWD is MOST LIKELY spread by Urine and Feces! Can you say still clueless after 50 years. You dont ruin people lives on a MOST LIKELY and shut down urine farms when its 100% positive real life tested and true proven that crop farmers are spreading the Prion all across the world without as much as a regulation against them! Again..Can you say Agenda?

It has....For 50 plus years! What more ya want?

Well thats a good one. A positive is positive but a negative may not be? Just how does that work? You really think you will get any kind of info from the NRA, about anything that has to do with deer and high fence without massive bias? You want to throw the QDMA in the mix also. The DEC,NRA and QDMA are just as clueless as the rest except the fact that they have made their agendas known. But thats old news and off subject!

LOL...No Typo my friend. Every 3 years they have to be either knocked down or ran thru a chute and blood is drawn from the animal. You should be sticking up for the scent industry if you believe in the american way of life and our rights and freedoms. If there were ever a real issue and problem with CWD i would be the first one to be rid of my animals if they were somehow infected but it has never ever been proven to do any harm to the herds in any state and has never been a threat to man. The top 5 states in the record books,year in and year out are all CWD positive states. How can this be when CWD was said to be such a killer of mature animals. Not only that but the deer take by hunters in those states have actually risen after CWD came to town. How can this be? Mike, There is nothing more invasive than killing a perfectly healthy deer just to see if it has CWD. That is the states stupid way of doing things while looking for CWD. There is a blood test on the horizon and that is being funded by the deer farmers across the country. I/We believe the finger has been pointed the wrong way from the jump and in due time it will be proven. First it was all deer farmers problem and now research shows that CWD prions are being found in Corn and Alfalfa. Is anything being done to stop that spread? No! You yourself can buy CWD laden corn at your local Tractor Supply store that was harvested in the CWD hotzone of Wisconsin! Throw that on the ground for your Chicken and goats and you now have CWD positive soil on your property. Now move that mud on your boots to your treestand 50 miles away and that mud falls off..Guess what you just did. Yup CWD positive soil to be mixed with the local soil and picked up by your local deer herd. Its a cycle and the only part of the wheel that ever gets broken is the deer farmers part. Agenda Anyone?

One would think if this is truly the case and we had any pigs in Ny then people would see them by now. After all...How many years has the DEC blown this sh!t up our butt's? Dont believe much i hear or read from DEC..Like the old saying goes...No Pic..It didnt happen!

LOL..I was wondering what that was??? First off all they are doing is asking for more lawsuits headed their way. They cant shut them down but they can give more rules. There has Never,Ever,Ever,Ever been a deer found dead or alive with the CWD prion found in its urine. Ever! Even postive node and brain whitetails did not have the prion in their urine. The white coats do their testing by taking the CWD prion and injecting it into whitetail urine and then stick that crap into a mouse and see if he becomes positive. Well DUH...Ya think he will? They, after 50 plus years cant tell you with any facts that whitetails have the prions in their urine because its never been found. As far as testing...We have to Tb test every 3 years with a test that is only 75-80% accurate and the states accept that BUT they have a CWD live test that is 85-90% accurate and they wont accept that as testing? Hmmm makes ya think huh. Politics at its best. Ny is a closed border state meaning no deer can come in so in fact any farm that has CWD would have shown in the last 3 years. Now if you talk wild deer...Well we all know its already in Ny state and if they tested more than 1/2 of 1% of harvested deer they would find it. Tell me it has not walked in from Pa and i will tell ya you are smoking something. and to share of course! Now for the ones that think the fake stuff is as good as the real..Not even close. If someone wants to Pm me a phone number and they know how to put video up on here, send it along and i will show you a buck from this year, one of many little guys, that shows how a buck should react to doe in heat scent!

I let 1 early Muzzy doe shot on 800 acres before i really noticed the lack of deer. 1 and only taken here for this season. Drove out a 50 acre brush chocked corner 3 times this year. 1st time 3 yotes..second time nothing and 3 time 2 yotes. Not a single deer in any push and this is a known fawning in summer and bedding in fall spot. Not Good!

Only fixed pigs allowed. DEC saying there are wild pigs causing problems holds as much water as them saying there is no deer problems in the state. Riiiight.

Prob had a bullet hole thru its guts .

I can promise ya there are plenty that size in that County and that part of the state. You are right on those hunters and thats because they are the first one to pull the trigger on the first spike buck they see. Then question some other of us that will only harvest the best that the species has to offer! Go Figure!

Sounds like maybe someone hiding a kill-Bury site. The powder is prob the stuff the guys use here on Ft Drum..They leave the deer off the road and pour that powder on it...Couple 3-4 days the deer is all but gone.

Another fine example of a mature Ny buck. Awesome!

lol..Not me...Still eating does so far this year. I cant stand bone soup unless its from a mature deer and hopefully in the 120-150 range. Everything else walks! Agree with most of your post. The thing that irks me the most is the ones that shoot a smaller or immature buck and then make excuses for the killing. To far away..It was running..Thought it had brows..It was the last couple days. Most will kill before eating tag soup.

No way that buck is 31/2yrs old. He was a great young buck with geat width and beams. Another year or two and i would guess he would have been a brute but thats what they are there for and if Grow was happy with that buck so be it. If you read the posts you can see that even Grow wanted that buck to survive to be something else next year or better. Sh!t Happens

He had what it takes to be a future stud.

I believe the point is to keep him in night mode so he lives another year to show what he looks like as a mature deer. He will be a nice one with that kind of frame started!

Awesome...Did you get her up in the Helena area?

You should have hooked upwith us when i put the post on here about openings at the cabin. Could have locked you under the cabin and got you on the first week. We always get a cabin just for that reason. Many times nobody stays at the cabin.

Right so nothing will change, the state will say the area is over populated and they will shut down killing bucks and introduce muzzleloaders into the early season. That will take care of that bumper crop and the not killing doe problem.