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Last thing we need is to start a riff between bow and gun hunters (we are our own worst enemies). SLOB hunter leave it at that. Doesn't matter if they carry a bow or gun into the woods. When you find deer left to rot, trash, damaged crops or trees cut down you can usually attribute it to a SLOB.

Nice I miss Madison Co. :'( Born and raised there and there and after traveling all across the state i still haven't found anything quite like it.

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This is a pretty interesting article from the Adirondack Explorer http://www.adirondackexplorer.org/stories/deerdebate.php I really would have to agree with this statement. Billy Allan, an old-school hunter from Saranac Lake, offers this view of the sportsmen’s gripes: “They’re lousy woodsmen; that’s exactly why. You can sit in a stand for three weeks and not see a deer. The people that don’t see deer, they either don’t hunt very much or don’t move around very much. There’s six deer per square mile. Are you going to sit in one place or you going to go find one? If I don’t see one for twenty minutes, I’m gone.” Allan has hunted in the Saranac Lake region for nearly four decades. He reports seeing 100 to 150 deer each fall. “I see about the same amount of deer every year, kill about the same amount of bucks every year,” he said. “I’ve never had any problem finding deer. In my estimate it’s remained very steady overall.”

2 Only reason its not a 1 is because i got to take my 4.5 yr old out for her first hunt. Lost a small 7pt i hit hunting with my daughter saw virtually no movement and not a single doe (that i know of).

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/esfcoyote09.pdf Here is some initial results from the study that ESF is doing in conjunction with DEC on Coyote predation during the winter and fawns in spring.

I never said tax credits would get the green light just that it was a good idea to improve access. As someone who works with farmers all across the state they are needed. The majority of farmers don't gut shoot deer and leave them for dead they are used, although there are exceptions. Farmers are in the same world we are i.e. crappy economy and when you got a critter (deer, goose, turkey etc. etc.) reducing your income see how you feel. The same can be said about gun hunters if you cant get it done in two weeks. I seriously doubt cutting gun season would have that much affect on numbers. Last time i checked better than 90% of deer taken during gun season were on opening weekend. I just spent better than six hours hiking a 2000+ acre tract of timber company property. The company will let anyone on the property (with ATVs) and the only thing they ask is that there are no permanent tree-stands built. I saw better than a dozen permanent stands. Guys with permanent and lock on stands alike were cutting down trees for shooting lanes or cutting new ATV trails. Found 8 beer cans which i am sure were from the guys celebrating the three gut shot does that were left to rot. Plus there was a garbage bag full of trash at the R.O.W. access (which i picked up). Its not hard to figure out why access is getting harder to find.

In PA timber companies are given tax credits to open up some of there properties to hunting. Harvest rates are set by PA game commission and you have to apply to hunt those properties / get special tags.

All of what WNY said and give tax credits for property taxes to landowners who open up property to hunting.

I know how it feels to have lead thrown at you. Happened to me twice on state land so i gave that up and then once on private land so now opening day is reserved for one of three places where i know EVERY ONE that is hunting on the property. Even with that i still worry about the morons on neighboring properties unloading at random.

Nice It gets easier with time. After you got a couple under your belt you know when to go and when to take it slow. My first seemed like it took forever.

Yesterday was my wife's first real dear hunt and it turned out pretty good. Managed to drop a nice doe and the two yearlings she had with her. Still got a DMP left thanks to the landowners DMAPs. Now i can concentrate on a rack for the rest of the season and if I'm lucky enough to drop another fat doe it would be golden. I'm still pissed about not finding my archery buck i shot with my 4.5 yr old opening day of bow.

Had the worst bow season to date. Looking forward to Gun - NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Out of everyone of the hunting seasons i hate this the most but due to the lack of meet in the freezer i think i will be out a lot over the course of the next week ??? . After tomorrow it will be time to hit some big tracks of timber company land and i might make it over to Allegany State park and try and poke around in some of the back sections away from the masses. Not to many guys want to quarter and pack out a deer so hopefully i can find some relative peace and quite.

Bradford NY - Steuben Co. I transferred the post from this site to AT.

After my experience earlier in the season (http://huntingny.com/forums/index.php/topic,1549.0.html) with a anti i go armed with more than a gun when i enter into the woods. If you never have to deal with this BS great but if you do here is some useful info. NYS Hunter Harassment Law - http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$ENV11-0110$$@TXENV011-0110+&LIST=SEA2+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=01990692+&TARGET=VIEW ECO officer roster by region - http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/50303.html

First off the rut should be really heating up at that point (I am sold on Charlies moon phase theory after reviewing my journal and comparing it to past moon phases). Second the rest of the pumpkins will screw with you. Do what has been stated before get as far away from everyone else as you can and sit all day waiting for the other guys to move. Last year i hunted a heavily pressured farm opening day. Had two bozos come in and one sits on each end of the clear cut funnel i was staking out. One guy didn't last as long as my 4.5 yr old and started his walk after half an hour. The second guy almost made it till noon before he got up but i have a feeling the constant coughing and candy wrapper noises would have told the deer something was up. Half an hour after he meandered off I had a two doe work in which both fell to the .257 bob. Good luck boys. I am taking my wife out for her first deer hunt. Shes been with me successful thunder chicken hunts so i hope something in the four leg-ed community decides to cooperate.

http://blog.syracuse.com/outdoors/2010/11/syracuse_man_gets_his_buck_of.html

My wife had a monster cross in front of her on the way home at 9:30am. I am going to spend every free minute i can in the woods from here on out.

I generally go for outside the ears. I passed a small six yesterday still hunting. It was a chip shot. Bumped something (8 or 10) outside the ears 200 yards after that. I was pissed i spent half an hour looking in the hemlock thicket because i knew a deer would be there. I have had tag soup on more than one occasion. The only thing i regret is not connecting or messing up on a big boy. I did lower my standards a couple years ago after tag soup in bow season. Shot a small 8 opening day of rifle and i regretted it. Doe are what i look to put in the freezer. That being said i usually wont pass a doe during bow or gun (unless its a fawn).

http://www.adkhunter.com/ There is at least a partial plate on the truck and its NY. The guy that runs this site is pretty good about researching stuff. I sent him an email the day before he posted on ADKhunter and he said he had been researching it for three days. Check out the club foot in the one photo.

Sooner or later something in the management of the NY herd will change regardless of if your for it or against it. The current management model is for restoring a deer population from a depleted point. Increasing deer numbers and a declining number of hunters is going to get to a breaking point. DEC will have to control deer numbers regardless of what the hunting population feels is the "right" way to do it. There are a lot of different things that could happen. -Increased season lengths -Some sort of AR to try and stimulate doe harvest -Earn a buck program where you must shoot a doe first before a buck. -Lottery buck tag with a "standard" doe tag -Increased nuisance permits -Bait and shoot I don't know if anyone has been to some of the forested tracks in PA but it is amazing what an overpopulation of deer will do. In some areas they fenced portions of state land off to prevent overgrazing of the understory and stimulate secondary regeneration after it had been logged. Inside the fence was a jungle outside you could see for great distances without any undergrowth. There is going to be no simple solution either. You cant manage WNY, ADKs, and LI all in the same manor. It might take decades before you see the change but it will happen or mother nature will take care of it for us with the likes of chronic wasting and blue tongue.

and last but not least a couple more ADK bucks with a rifle

two more bow kills and two more pics of the buck shot at the gooey club

more bow kills

I think NY has a lot of potential to produce really nice deer. Not saying all these are for real but a lot of people really under estimate NY. Not that i am saying we are going to be anywhere near Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio etc. etc. Spent a little time looking more in depth at other sites and found these.