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New York has sika deer?! Can they be hunted? Pretty sure I've never seen one.

Alright, I'm signed up for this Friday morning. I am going in with very modest expectations, but the weather is nice and it will be a big change hunting in the spring (only done deer before).

Better shot with A bow than my kids--thumbs up! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'd never been before, either. I just had no idea how to get started but ran into a guy yesterday who's big into it and he said he likes showing people the ropes because it gets his season extended (as you can only get two of them). He's been out three times this year and called in turkeys all three so I am planning on going out this week. Seems like a ton of work compared to deer for the amount of meat one gets but people seem to like turkey hunting, so we'll see how it goes. Dragging a turkey out of the woods seems pretty easy, too! Good luck

Good heavens, do we need hazmats to hunt now and then scorch the carcass with a flame thrower for a few min before going near it? If anything I think this thread has been helpful and pushes me off the fence on a carrying decision. Last year I had a deer in my minivan on a blanket, but considering family gets in there I think I will get one of those hitch carriers and throw it on there so that it's never inside. If nothing else that will keep tickets out of the van.

Interesting thread and I hadn't seen it until now, so watching a couple years of time from start to end. Changing economy is scary to me. I am in IT and things are awesome now, but I know they can change over night. Basically everything in IT's goal is to automate a process and I do expect at some point I will be automated out (probably not before much of the rest of the economy has had that happen to them, though). I'm still a couple decades from retirement but I've taken a keener interest in my savings recently. I'm on track now, but not with as much room as I'd like. If I could hang on another couple of decades I'd be content getting some low stress retirement guy job like bus driver (of course, obviously, there won't be bus drivers in 20 years as that will be automated out also).

Awesome pic. People throw money at so many hobbies needlessly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't watch him (I have no cable/satellite anymore). I don't know if this stuff is true. If it were 1-2 things I'd think it's people hating but there is a lot of smoke there, which means he's kryptonite and fox had to dump him. He was already losing advertisers like mad.

Looks fun. I dabble a little bit with woodworking. Be sure to use a high quality filtered face mask around the dust (a lot of people don't bother and they should).

It really is incredible. The engineer we spoke to when we asked how long it would take to get approval on the stream just paused for a while and basically said he has no idea. When pressed he said maybe 6 months. And this would be to simply put a culvert into the ditch equal in size to the current one and then pour in enough gravel/dirt to cross the ditch. It's pretty crazy. The local town board is bad enough. they require a 4-6 week notification to the town board before any of their meetings that they hold each month, so if you miss a cutoff date you can literally wait 10 weeks (!) to present something to the planning board. And then they'll make sure they all get their little questions answered and placated, so it can take much longer. I've read through their meeting minutes and in one case a property owner wanted to put in a small commercial project and each month they went back with all of their questions answered and were presented with new ones. Almost Sisyphean but after a few months of this they finally got approval. I totally get that gov needs to protect people from doing insane things, but the slowness of it is just terrible. Like why can't a property owner get everybody onto a meeting with a few days notice? Imagine telling your coworkers at your job you only take meeting requests a month out. Anyway, I've dogged this thing longer than most. Decided to go ahead with this instead of buying a ready-made house because I didn't want to do what most people do. You can't get anything great without some work and tears, and I'm not a quitter, but I can finally step away from it, totally content with the knowledge I took it as far as I could (almost--stay tuned ;)). *UPDATE* Oh well, that is done. I came up with an excellent idea to buy some more land away from the wetlands issue, my developer agreed it was good and he'd go in on acreage with me, but the seller doesn't want to sell more land, even though half of it is wetlands. He also didn't know that the stuff he was selling me wasn't even accessible without a DEC permit.

Yep, that is why.

Agreed. Plug = pulled last night. After speaking with somebody at the DEC yesterday and an engineer, I'm done. Having to go through a multi-month approval with the DEC just to put a bridge over a stream is the last straw. The guy at the DEC said even the army corps of engineer would need to sign off. I honestly cannot believe the insane level of bureaucracy related to this. There is a land owner who is willing to sell me land, I am willing to buy it and put a house on it, but the state and various jurisdictions need multiple months to jerk around over it, and I'm literally not even doing a single thing that would impact any of their regulated property. I'm now confident that not only would I not be able to break ground until the fall, but there's actually a chance I would be denied by the DEC anyway. At the price I'm paying for the land that is just not acceptable.

As a semi journal note for anybody interested, met today with builder @ site. The perc holes are now showing water 10" from the top. It turns out this is not water table issue but just the soil is totally soaked from the rain and needs more time to drain. Still, it shows it would require a significantly raised septic system. This is all on a small hill and if one extends out from the water level it's well above grade not far away, so not water table. We'd still do a deep hole test to see where the water table really is. Unfortunately, my concern about the 500' check was valid and the DEC recommends, and the town is mandating, that the lines get redrawn on the wetlands. The engineer will then either keep as-is (unlikely), or shrink or expand them. If he shrinks them even a little bit, it would be great. If he expands them, hell that would be great too because it would make my decision easier. There is also the unfortunate note that this crosses a stream under NY DEC protection and that would require a permit. Just to put a pipe in equal to one somebody else already put in and access to the land over the ditch from the main road. The engineer we spoke to thought this could potentially add three months to the approval process! What a mess. My wife thinks I'm beating a dead horse on this. I would have bailed long, long ago but there is no other land attractive whatsoever in this area for what I want.

Looks awesome. Before I read the post and saw the first pic I was going to say don't you dare craigslist buy that thing, 99% of people who think they will restore a vehicle end up giving up. Looks like you weren't one of them, results speak for themselves!

Thanks, I have sent all my findings to the builder and we'll see what his thoughts are, too. I did go back to the holes now, and the water in the four holes was anywhere from 9-14" from grade to where the water was pooling in the hole. Isn't that absurdly high? If nothing else doesn't it indicate that if I put a house in, this time next year I'd have a septic system on top of a very high water table as well and maybe it backs up into the house? When I read the monroe county percolation test standard, it talks only about how fast water drains out the bottom of the hole not how fast they'll let it pour back in! Could I really expect better results later in this week? We've spent so long on this and we're just on the cusp of spending thousands on an engineer to get it surveyed.

Well, when do you want to collect your prize? We had planned on perc testing this week but the builder said I could get out and do it myself as well. Here is what I did today: 1) Chose the location I wanted the house and where the septic would be and dug a hole. I repeated this three more times in various spots, including places that were higher and further back from the road (further than I wanted). 2) Each hole was 24-26" deep 3) I brought some containers to pour water in the holes after digging them. 4) I did not use these containers. Upon getting to about 18" deep the clay like soil (top 8" or so were nice looking dirt) went from typical damp soil to a mud status and water started coming in the hole. 5) I dug all the holes, took pictures, then came back 60-90 minutes later. All holes were filling with water. The first hole in just 90 minutes had 10" of water in it! Water line 14" from the top!! Wth? This land is even on a bit of a hill. High water table or what?! It's been wet lately, but the top 1-1.5' were not water saturated, though after. Will consult with builder but it looks like the landowner is about to get a cancelled contract unless I'm missing something here. I don't want a $25k septic system and two sump pumps running, with water pumps cranking while they build the foundation. It's a shame because the land is spectacular otherwise. It's so close to shops, schools, has a couple acres field I wanted and then the rest is just trees and deer tracks everyone and it's a beautiful lot if a house could actually be built on it.

He should have gone to congress for approval, because there was no immediate threat to the US and he messed up on that. But, otherwise I fully supported what Trump did here. I'm sorry I don't put any stock in sites like infowars. It's even more fake news than the biased MSM crap from cnn, fox, etc. In this action Trump received pretty widespread support from the allied countries, including canada, europe, australia, japan, some middle eastern ones. And internally most republicans love it, and even schumer and pelosi were not particularly critical of this and I think at least one of them if not both had warm positives on it. Essentially the only people who didn't like what he did were assad, russia, china (i.e. all the countries that hate the US no matter what) and then people who never go to any news site but hardcore right wing ones and are 100% sure this was a false flag because putin said it was (and he never lies). As far as I know every western nation is of the confident opinion that Assad was responsible for this chemical attack, and not simply because planes attacked a building that rebels may have been developing sarin in. As such, there need to be extreme repercussions for people using WMD. He received a slap on the wrist and got off easy, but in this Trump made it impossible for Assad to consider doing this again (if he does, next time multiple airports will be wiped off the map, at a minimum) and an ancillary benefit to it is that finally NK, for the first time this century, is legitimately worried that if they keep on their current course they may be attacked unilaterally. Syria is probably doomed anyway. It's not like Assad's opposition are great people, but don't cry for Assad. Don't you dare.

July 8 + http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2017/04/08/uber-lyft-coming-what-you-need-know/100216908/ It's about freaking time! I've possibly never seen a taxi where I live. They barely exist in rochester except maybe in the city center? I don't even know. Once in a blue moon I could benefit from using one and not having to wait a dog's age for it. Uber will absolutely fill in a need in this area IMO.

I spent under $400 when I bought my compound a couple years ago and I'm a better shot than most of the guys at the range with their pricey gear because they don't practice much. IMO people badly overspend on equipment they don't need; a deer doesn't really care if it's hit with a $5 arrow or a $30 arrow. As for the views on bowhunters who "voted 2:1 for full inclusion", I wonder what gun hunters want. Full inclusion will absolutely impact the harvesting rate of deer before gun season starts and as such negatively impact gun hunters accordingly. The state knows this of course which is why it has been hesitant so far for full inclusion. To be honest I can't believe gun-only guys aren't making a huge fuss about this. This may very well have further repercussions, like now you can only take one buck all season, period, by any means. If via reality or merely by perception gun hunters start increasingly thinking that they are getting table scraps they will go to the DEC and demand changes. And they are the biggest group of deer hunters. Count on it!

Yeah I'll own it as much as anybody "owns" land in new york, buying a bit of land from a farmer. Does anybody know if a person can plant their own trees in wetlands or adjacent? If we can cut them down I assume so, but I wonder in what way rules apply to that?

Well at elast we have uber I think ?

I did personally. Land contract is contingent on me getting a mortgage. I have pre-approval but if the bank baulks I can bail on it, though I'd still be out the $6k that an engineer is already costing me. This is of course why 99% of people just buy ready-made houses in subdivisions.

It's got all city utilities except for septic. Perc test is scheduled for this week and deep hole the following at which point we'll know for sure what the septic situation will look like. Best case is a simple system ($8500) but realistically they are going to require some additional sand and I'm hoping it's not too outrageous. A site nearby had estimate of a $25k septic because it didn't perk at all (and it's been for sale forever and nobody will build on it). I think it's probably going to perk okay because the house will be on currently-tilled land and its soil rating is B (hydropholics or something can't quite recall).

I have a builder and we've engaged with a general engineer, but I walked the land today. It's possible to have the DEC or an approved engineer "reassess" the wetlands area and really nail it down. It seems to me we're going to have to do that. Unfortunately, as I walk it he may actually bring the wetlands out, which will encroach further into the land and at that point make it unusable for what I want. I will kick this off Monday morning I think. I will need to know one way or another exactly what this will do for the project.

Hmm. I believe you are referring to the 500' "check zone". Beyond the 100 ft buffer is a 500 foot check zone. Apparently my town will notify the DEC of things going on in the check zone (this property is entirely within it), but the DEC normally doesn't care. My goal, other than to build a house/septic immediately next to the 100 ft buffer, is to eventually put an outbuilding there, maybe a chicken coop, etc. Do you think those things would have to go through extra work because of this check zone?