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Wanna bet his capture doesn't stop the bombings?

They really ask you to tell them why you don't want it made public? What legitimate purpose does it serve, in the interest of public safety, to publicize who has one? I'd just write, "Publication threatens my safety".

I do the same thing. It works well

The 30-06 is not over kill. The bullet used, and where it hits the deer, determine how much damage it does. A .243 in a deer's chest can mess up the chest just as bad. A .270 will do everything a .30-06 will do when it hits a deer too. Bullet composition and bullet placement, are the factors that are important when looking to avoid what you call "over kill".

If you want to use a .223 on deer, you should really bone up on the ballistics, especially the energy it has, or doesn't have, at longer range. The round's effectiveness on deer is very much affected by the bullet it spews out the muzzle. I would say the Partition is an OK choice, but I'd rather shoot a Barnes TSX if I was shooting a whitetail. You need ALL of the weight the bullet has to get good penetration with any shot over 200 yards. You also need reliable expansion. I think at close range the Partition might lose all of it's front section on impact, leaving only 50% or less of it's original weight to penetrate to anything vital.

I use a soft, quiet, camo backpack all the time. It has everything I need stored in it so I can just add some snacks and water and go, knowing I have everything I need. I never even notice I'm wearing it either. It's not heavy and a good one carries the load with a waist band so you don't have shoulder stress. It comes off quick and gets hung on something when I'm in a stand or taking a seat for awhile. I often have more than I need for the hunt I'm on, but I would rather have something I don't need, than need something and not have it. Even loaded for an all day in the field deer hunt, it doesn't weigh me down as some might think it would. I've worn it all day and never felt I should not have used it.

So am I. If he could just tell us if it says Western on it, that would answer the question.

I appreciate the offer Vly. I tried some copper last year in my 06 and they grouped as well as my regular loads, but I'm using the 7mm-08 for deer now. I'll see Dave in Margaretville and ask if he can get some 7mm-08 for me to try, but I think reloads will be the best option for me. It saves a little money and allows me to customize the load to the rifle. I use 140 grain bullets now, but will try the 120 grain Barnes TSX in the reloads to see how they do. If I can get a good load worked up by deer season this year, that's what I will use this season.

I don't believe the Super X is older. It's a white box which was Winchester Super X ammo. The yellow box in the chart was Western Super X which was older ammo made prior to the switch in branding. https://www.google.com/search?q=winchester+30-40+super+x+box&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=654&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio-aT125bPAhWMaT4KHWZgBwIQsAQIGw&dpr=1#imgrc=_

The Peters ammo is probably the oldest stuff there. I'd use that first at the range and if none of it misfires, hunt with it too. I always use up the oldest stuff first, because the older it gets, the less reliable it gets. The brass can be used to reload new rounds too.

I believe he knows far less about hunters and hunting, then he does about lead and raptor mortality, but I do admire his passion for using copper ammo. Perhaps learning more about the lengths responsible hunters go to, in order to achieve the best one shot kill they can, will help him understand some of the push back he can expect. As long as he's not advocating a legislative ban on any type of ammo, I have no animosity towards the man, or his passion. I wouldn't be surprised if, after quite some time, I actually do find a copper bullet that will perform better than any lead bullet I've ever used, but it won't happen over night and won't happen any faster if King Andy says I have to do it right away. However, I have decided when using lead ammo, I will no longer leave gut piles or dead yotes in the field and remove far more venison from the wound area than I have ever done in the past. That much I believe will solve the lead poisoning issues involving myself and the raptors I might effect.

That man should be fired from that position then.

I don't know who you talked to, but he doesn't know crap about barrel erosion. No modern rifle or round is going to wear out that fast. You'd have to have loads so hot, they would blow the rifle up first.

Vly, I hunt in the Catskills in many areas. I have a .30-06 and a new 7mm-08 which I will be using more than the 06 now. Switching to copper isn't as easy as it sounds for someone like me who is very anal about my rifle ballistics and bullet choices. I have to consider cost, copper fouling in the barrel, bullet weight has to be reduced to match the lead bullet length I use now, powder levels in reloads have to be reduced to match the velocity of the heavier lead bullet, tests in ballistic gel have to be performed to be confident the bullet will perform the same way on impact and some success in the field is required to develop the same level of confidence in using it. One thing that copper bullets require for performance is adequate velocity. Most failures with copper are due to velocity dropping off at long range and the bullet failing to properly expand because of it. That isn't a problem for most whitetail shots I take which are less than 200 yards, but it does create an issue when trying to develop lower recoil, or lower velocity rounds. It also becomes quite costly to do all this experimentation and switch to copper rounds. All of this also takes time. And with each new rifle and round, I need to do it some more. I've been hunting with my 06 for 44 years, and all of the experimentation I've done with it has been ongoing over that period of time. I've found Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silver Tip 140 grain bullets work well in the 7mm-08 so far, giving me 1/2" groups at 100 yards and have performed well on deer and yotes in the past in my friends rifles. Once I settle on a load for this rifle, I will start experimenting with 120 grain Barnes TSX bullets in some reloads to see how they do. Anyway, that's the disadvantage of switching to copper I am talking about.

I heard about it. Nothing bad and the victim wasn't hurt where he needed medical attention. I heard he was smacked a couple of times.

A bullet that goes 100 fps faster than another isn't going to be any worse for the barrel than the former one is. A 100 fps difference is a minuscule amount when talking about muzzle velocities exceeding 3000 fps. Besides, this thread was about a rifle for a newbie. The .257 Wby and .26 Nosler, as well as any other "exotic" round rifle, would not be a good one to recommend to any newbie. A novice is best served by an all around rifle, in an all around chambering, where ammo is practical for the expected applications, easily available and not expensive. These other exotic rounds are specialty rounds for the hunter that requires specialized tools, for a specific type of hunting. The novice may move on to such exotic rounds and rifles later on, but in the beginning they are best served by standard versatility.

We are at this point in America due to 8 years of forced Progressive values, if you can call them values. To Leftists, "change" is a value, even when they have no idea what the consequences of that change will be.

I've concluded non-lead ammo is better for hunting, but it is expensive, is less available and has some ballistic disadvantages that can be overcome with some experimentation. But considering all of that, I still believe in freedom of choice. As long as all of this "putting information out there" doesn't progress into legislation banning lead ammo, I have no issue with anyone wanting to use it, or their desire to convert others towards using it. If someone wanted to give me a box of copper loads to use for deer hunting every season, I'd thank them and use them, as long as the accuracy was the same. I'm not anti non-lead ammo, just not a proponent of regulation banning lead ammo.

Congratulations! Where at and what did she weigh?

Buy the Remington 870 Wingmaster, but get a 12 gauge that has screw in chokes. Then buy a slug shooting rifled barrel with a cantilever scope mount on it. Put a good 2x7 scope on it and you are good to hunt anything on your property. You won't need anything else until you decide you want to take longer shots, or have a gun that holds more shots. A 3" mag 870 allows for more range on turkeys and geese, but you can make do without one if you wait for closer shots. Slugs do not need to be 3" shells. The difference is negligible, but the recoil is more.

We were talking about the NCAA and whether it's tantrum would affect NC, weren't we. Try to focus. Anyway, the liberals moving to free states are trying to turn their new states into bastions of liberalism, just like they fugged up the northern states. But it's a long row to hoe. Besides, sooner or later the states they fled to, will be as bad as the ones they fled from. If that doesn't prove political immaturity and mental illness, nothing does.

For all you non-lead guys, do you shoot small game with shotguns? Are all your shells non-lead bird shot?

Some things are far more important than money and the NCAA. Besides, thousands of people are moving from high tax liberal states to low tax free states like NC every year. That will more than offset the couple of dollars the NCAA brings them once a year.

He fears him. Can't stop thinking about how Trump will put an end to all of the liberal idiocy Obama has promoted. He'd have to go back in the shadows and stay there. That's why Trump has so much support.

I noticed in one of the studies pointed out above, people who did their own butchering submitted venison to be tested and a lot of lead was found in the ground venison. I suspect some people felt it was OK to throw blood shot meat into the grinder. Did you notice that only one piece of whole meat, out of 98, had any trace of lead? "Lead was detected in 8 of 98 hunter samples, a prevalence of 8%. Seven of the eight positives were from ground meat; one was from a whole cut." This seems to prove proper butchering will prevent lead in venison from being ingested. As far as the pig shooter's claim he used a Nosler Partition bullet, I call BS, as the base of that bullet remains wholly intact when it hits an animal, and I see no wholly intact base in that x-ray anywhere in that pig. If he truly used a Nosler 6mm Partition to shoot that pig, I believe he would have stated that in the video and shown the round being chambered for proof. Since he didn't give any details about the round used in the video other than it being a conventional lead round, I think he's being dishonest. And as stated above, I also do not find them to be an objective source of information on this subject and would not trust their reports.