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Went out yesterday evening but didn't see any. I'll be hunting a couple of days this week.

But she didn't accuse any of Trump's supporters of being stupid, uninformed, or not loving their country and trying to destroy it. She didn't because she knows that's completely false and describes her supporters.

He was using a 6mm bullet but not showing what kind, and shooting with the animal quartering towards him. I suspect this was a frangible varmint bullet, since it did not show any bullet body remaining in the animal at all when x-rayed. Varmint rounds are designed to explode when they strike an animal. The varmints they are used on are not meant to be eaten. I would say he wasn't using the right bullet for the animal taken, especially if he intended to eat it. It also would not be a good choice to use such a bullet if you're worried about raptors eating the remains. Sure copper would be better if you want no fragmentation in the animal, but there are many conventional bullets that will not spread lead in the animal's body like this video tries to assert will happen with any lead bullet.

The reason it's accurate to say public education is against firearms and hunting is because the US Dept of Education is against it and actively attacks it. Same can be said for many state Depts of Education. Individual schools and teachers may not be against it and may even support it, but they often find themselves on the wrong side of the DOE when they do.

These two items in the proposed law should also concern every firearm owner. For years the NRA has been warning gun owners these types of laws were coming. Too many gun owners ignored the warnings. Many even say the NRA is a terrorist organization that helps killers keep their guns and is too extreme to be a member of. These people are why these laws are being pushed and passed. The first bullet point exposes the game plan. Anything they want to use to deny gun ownership can be used. The second bullet point exposes their contempt for due process in a court of law. These laws are going to ruin many lives and get a lot of people killed. Expanding the list of crimes that would bar a person from gun possession. Letting the state Justice Department use money from the state’s Dealer’s Record of Sale system to eliminate the backlog of people identified as no longer allowed to own guns but not yet investigated and contacted by law enforcement.

Did you happen to notice the part where anyone owning more than 500 rounds of ammo would be prosecuted? Everyone I know, hunters, trap shooters, target shooters, reloaders, security guards, fireman, CCW holders and senior citizens all own at least that much ammo. Most stocked up as the prices started to soar sky high. BTW, this includes .22 LR in your possession.

If you guys would take a minute and read the short article I posted in the OP, many of your questions would be answered there. The author of the article explains quite clearly what will start it.

That ride fizzled because the promoters were advised they were wrong about the place. If the US Government turns on it's people and abuses it's power to install tyranny, people's anger and desire to revolt will not fizzle. Did you read the article in the OP?

Everything you said there, except for the last sentence, is certainly true of the Leftist Progressives in America. That gives the supporters of the Constitution a big advantage. The last sentence isn't accurate, as there is already a lot of support for reclaiming a Constitutional system and to crush them would mean killing millions. That would encourage even more support.

Philo, you have to remember there will be many people in this land that will side with the government against those who wish to restore a constitutional system. They will be the other side of the fight. That's what will make it a civil war.

Infringements to the 2nd Amendment will cause this to happen. Yet the Democrats are hell bent on infringing, even eviscerating the right. Very accurate predictions in this article by a Navy Seal. https://readfomag.com/2016/08/bracken-a-scenario-for-the-second-civil-war/

Nope. I expect it will become another outlet for government propaganda, used to misinform the public on all issues.

They do not require a plug to limit rounds in a pump action shotgun for anything other than migratory game.

BTW, the length of the 150 gr copper bullet is about the same length as the 165 grain lead bullet. That should not require a faster twist rate in your barrel and accuracy should be equal, or better, than what you get now from lead bullets.

Black bear are not that hard to kill. A .308 using any 150 grain bullet is more than adequate for the job. A 150 grain copper bullet will penetrate better than a soft point lead bullet of the same weight. I find the 150 grain lead bullet to be optimum in a .308 Win round. It is even more effective if it's a copper bullet. You will probably see a complete pass through on a black bear with a 150 grain .308 bullet made from copper. That's helpful in giving you a better blood trail, as black bear do not bleed like deer and two holes in the bear are better than one.

Some people, when given a lot of money, can be seriously dangerous. If they use it to push a personal agenda, they don't care about the damage they do, as long as they get to their goal. Often they have no idea how wrong they are about their agenda's outcome on the country.

Think Redneck would support a white player saying America has given blacks everything and all they've done is demand more, adopt an entitlement attitude and show ingratitude? Think that freedom of speech wouldn't get an NFL player banned? It's a double standard.

What car are you driving?

The problem with copper bullets is they are LONGER than lead bullets of equal weight. Longer bullets require a faster twist rate in the barrel to stabilize them. If your barrel doesn't have a fast twist rate, they will not shoot well. There are other issues too, like how much length you have in the throat of the guns chamber before the bullet hits the rifling (Called lead as in leader) and what overall length your magazine can accept. Copper bullets of a lesser weight are usually used when switching from lead. If you used 180 grain lead bullets, the 150 grain copper bullets would be what you should switch to. Then try 130 grain and see what you get. Remember, what the bullet does on targets is not what copper bullets are best known for. What they do on the animal is what's important.

He can say and do whatever he wants, but he best not forget there are consequences to the use of your freedom of speech in the private sector. The NFL could ban him from the game, just like they would a player who expressed his 2nd Amendment right on the field. I expect we will see an opposing player, probably a Giant, "accidentally" crash into him very violently, when he is seated on his own bench on the sidelines. He may even suffer a "Theisman" type of injury that will retire him permanently.

He's referring to the Libertarian viewpoint, which demands total Liberty in every respect. Trump can at least say he supports a lot more liberties than Clinton, who seems to support none.

This article, written by Rich Grassi, is a history of gun control and 2nd Amendment infringements from their beginnings in this country. Worth a read: The 2nd Amendment was ratified in 1791. Until the 20th Century, there was no real federal attempt to infringe upon that right – that was not true at state and local levels. Those can be discussed in another venue.In 1934, allegedly due to the lawlessness predictably brought about by another senseless federal regulation – prohibition of alcohol – there was an attempt to restrict handgun ownership by a federal mandate requiring fingerprinting, photography, notification and approval of local law enforcers and the payment of a $200 tax stamp. That didn't happen, though certain firearms – so-called 'short barrel' rifles and shotguns, machine guns, suppressors, trick guns (guns hidden in items like canes) were placed under that restriction.If a little is good, a lot should be 'better, in 1938, Uncle Sam licensed gun dealers through the Commerce Department for a $1 annual fee – back when a dollar was worth a real 100 cents. Sales to persons convicted of certain crimes or who "lacked a permit" were prohibited.Things were quiet though there was a constant drumbeat for more infringements until 1968. Using political assassinations as an excuse, licensing dealers, detailed record keeping requirements, and prohibiting sales of handguns to someone from out-of-state (relative to the licensee), to felons, to those determined to be 'mentally incompetent,' drunks and drug users. The "prohibited possessor" class was established. No "mail order" purchases of firearms were allowed, age limits on purchase of guns and ammo, records for ammo purchases and the federal "transfer" form was instituted. Four years later, ATF was created because we needed more federal police outside of Constitutional authority.In 1986, two infringements passed. One was the stupidly named "law enforcement officers protection act" that prohibited manufacture, sale or import of KTW ammunition: the only round that met the requirements of the ban on handgun ammo that would perforate concealable body armor – and was, incidentally, only sold to police officers who were prevented from having patrol rifles or shotgun slugs accessible while on duty. So much for "making us safe."The similarly stupidly named firearms owners' protection act had the sole relevant impact of preventing non-government purchases of 'machine guns' made after 1986. There were other elements of the statute, none relevant to this piece.In 1990, the 'crime control act,' named for something government is uniquely unable to do, allowed the US Attorney General to establish "gun-free school zones" (violent criminal empowerment zones), made illegal any possession and discharge of firearms – stopping all in-school marksmanship programs – and outlawed assembly of certain semiauto rifles or shotguns fromlegally imported parts.We also got Brady which instituted a five-day waiting period and background check before a licensee can allow transfer to a non-licensed person ("citizen"). NICS was mandated in this law.In 1994, we got the Clinton Gun Ban. There was a silly name for it, but as it didn't describe the intent, the name escapes me. This banned manufacture, transfer, possession and importation of a new class of guns, named by Josh Sugarman – "assault weapons." (sic) They also banned boxes with springs – magazines that held too much ammunition.The ban sunset in 2004. So after this list of "compromises" and "common sense gun regulations," just how much better off are we today than we were in, say, 1933? Well, we have the slowest recovery from an economic downturn in our history, we have unenforced laws against illegal entry into the US by aliens, we have 10,000 "refugees" from the Middle East. Every time there is a shot fired in the US, the "news media" component of the elites inside the Beltway tells us that the US is the most violent country in the world, the most racist and terrible in every category: that's really something as the US is composed of divergent peoples and cultures from around the globe – the widest diversity there is in any developed nation. The "sporting purposes" exception in the 1968 Gun Control Act and laws that follow are a joke. The Second Amendment failed to mention that as a reason to enumerate that Natural Right -- and those "weapons of war," so-called by politicians who seek to scare the electorate, are nothing more than firearms that are often used for sporting purposes -- shown here on a varmint eradication job in the American West. So why can't they pass more infringements? They have academia, big media in terms of news and entertainment, absolute control of social media and big money interests like Soros. What's the hold up?Gun control at the national level is toxic. It's not some 'gun lobby.' Take the two biggest sellers in the business – Ruger and S&W, add Freedom Group, and you still have less than the annual rounding error of the auto industry.Estimates of the gun owning population of the US top at around 130 million. Only five or so millions of those are in the NRA – the alleged lobbyist for the "gun industry." Those on the inside know that the trade group of the outdoor industry is the National Shooting Sports Foundation, but apparently that organization is harder for the political class and big media to demonize – maybe it's because NSSF has four letters and that's too long for prohibitionists to remember.A few factors have creeped into the equation. One is that the prohibitionists have used the same tired, disproved arguments time and time and time again. The same tired old song is obscured by the fog of boredom and the obvious lie. During the expansion of near-nationwide concealed carry, there were predictions of "blood running in the streets," "gunfights over parking places," and "no good can come from this."Wrong on each and every point. That did not go unnoticed.The first real federal gun ban, the 1994 Clinton ban, gave lie to the story "we're not going to ban your guns." Sorry, but that's just crap, a plain lie. They proved it, it was nothing we did. As prices for standard capacity magazines and "preban" guns soared, the ban sunset started the biggest run on so-called "assault weapons" imaginable. People who wouldn't have had an AR15 stuffed in their . . . duffle bag now just had to have one. It was the same old story: "If they don't want us to have something and they're so much smarter than we are, then it's something we must have!"The social media that was supposed to move the political opinion needle toward the (not so) liberal, (not very) progressive side actually moved people more to the middle of extremes. What we're seeing is pro-individual, anti-government leanings; so called social liberal, economic conservative. Even the Libertarian Party – never a good barometer of true libertarian thought -- misread the tea leaves when they anointed Gary Johnson and "Gun Ban Bill" Weld as their candidates.Add the "aw-shucks" down-home regular guys on internet video, the Gun Blast crew and Hickok45 to name a couple, and people weren't seeing guns the way DC and Hollywood wanted them to see guns. So much for the statist nature of social media . . .Those same young – and old – people slammed Congress after Sandy Hook every time talk of infringements came up. That is not likely to change in the near term as one of two major parties in this country has firearms infringements and prohibitions as a plank in the party 'platform.' That and the Occupant's demands for "action," including his extra-Constitutional 'executive orders,' have pushed more and more of those 130 million gun owners to hammer Congress with one voice: no more gun laws.So we have gun owner "compromises" going back to 1934 – when do the prohibitionists get to "compromise?" Well, that's not going to happen. Now they're demanding a suspension of due process by insisting that people on a 'no-fly' list be prohibited possessors without benefit of a hearing or by having a lengthy, costly appeals process. They're demanding the Clinton gun ban be re-instituted in an "improved" form with no "grandfather" provisions and including government seizures of prohibited firearms.They're wanting to seize guns from veterans who need assistance with their financial affairs and from the elderly who have help with their financial issues – because those classes of people have no need for the ultimate force option in self-defense.You think they're not after your guns? You're delusional and not part of the mainstream. In fact, this political year shows that the elites in government, politics and big media (news and entertainment) are not part of the mainstream – and on the wrong side of history.-- Rich Grassi

I agree. Ignore this person and every one of his posts

IGNORE!

Satan himself would be the lesser of two evils. At least he bargains for your soul before putting you in Hell!