WNYBuckHunter

Not yet for me. I have seen some bucks while shed hunting and so far all of them are still packin their racks. It wont be long now.

My father has one in 308. Its a nice gun. I put the rings and scope that originally came with my 700 on it. Looks almost exactly like that picture.

Every rifle, pistol or shotgun carried by small game hunters and Fall turkey hunters. And that makes a difference, how? You dont have people hunting deer with guns, the deer arent getting shot at with guns (with the exception of the occasional poacher), and they arent on ultra-high alert. Again, your logic on this just doesnt add up.

But they are already here aren't they? It's been that way for a long time. What guns are in archery season?

For bonafide, certified, disabled hunters (registered and documented in any way that makes everyone confortable) that require that level of assistance only ...... I believe you really are starting to get it or at least pieces of it. Man that was a struggle for such a simple concept. I knew thats what you were saying form the get go. I dont agree with it. I too thought you were going down your "might as well let guns in" road that you have taken so many times. Either way, I dont agree with guns being brought into archery season. Like I said before, you would rather see guns in bow season than crossbows, makes no sense.

Correct, thats why I have 2 different pair, 10x21 and 10x42. I carry the 21s with me while hunting because they are nice and light weight, the 42s go with me when Im scouting for short periods or in the truck.

Id say his Whitetail Addiction got the best of him lol. Just another douche.

I like 10x for a good, all around power.

Yes it is lol. Get all the practice you can in before the season opens.

You can use a 243 for yotes, and they work good for deer. If you want to do both with one rifle, that would be a good one.

The problem is Doc, these mechanisms have never been around, so the states have never had to specify. Many states have taken similar steps with Muzzle loaders.

Now see there you go getting all angry again. A load of crap?? . Well like I said before, for some this law is more about advancing crossbows than trying to do anything substantive to help the disabled. So I guess you know where I stand, and I know where you stand on that issue. I don't really have anything to add. Nobody's angry, just calling things what they are. We get it, you would rather see guns in bow season than crossbows.

Sure the opportunities are there, but for some strange reason you seem to think a crossbow having a stock is something new. Its just up to the states to set regulations on cocking mechanisms, just like they have regulations for drawing devices for vertical bows.

Thats the biggest load of crap yet. BTW, I think my exact wording was "how are they going to raise or shoulder a gun?", not just shoulder, as you cherry picked. Ill bet money that firing a crossbow off of a bipod or tripod is a hell of alot easier than firing a handgun accurately with one hand. Again, this law is about archery equipment in archery season, not adding guns to archery season as you seem to be on board with.

and so what begins Doc? Just because someone makes it, doesnt mean it will be legal to use in NY. Companies build automatic rifles, doesnt mean you can hunt with them here. :

Doc, you seriously must have gotten a case of lack of comprehension again. What you are saying makes no sense. You are saying that this law is not truly helping the disabled because it doesnt let them use a gun during archery season. Thats nonsense. The whole point of this law is to allow disabled people to use a crossbow, which is more easily adapted to many different disabilities than other forms of archery equipment. I dont think anyone wants to see guns in archery season, no matter if the person is disabled or not. If someone cant shoulder a crossbow, how are they going to raise or shoulder a gun? Crossbows can be equipped with different types of cocking devices to make it usable for someone missing an arm, they can be more easily adapted to a wheel chair than any other type of bow, or shot off of a bipod or tripod for those that cant hold them up. Again, the point is to allow disabled people to use another form of archery equipment during archery season. I see what you are trying to do here Doc, but Im not going to get led down that road. Its just more of your anti-crossbow rhetoric.

Thank you!

For yotes, the 55 grain is fine. I shoot Remington soft point 55 grain for fox and yotes. Another great round is the Hornady Vmax, which is what Ill be using next year. Just couldnt pick any up in time to get some range time with them before season this year. Will a .22 caliber work for deer? Sure. Would I do it? Probably not. Why? Too much can go wrong, you need absolute perfect shot placement or you are just wounding them or tracking for a long way.

You know Doc, I have been meaning to try that. I love fried egg sammies, just havent tried them cold yet. I did get a chance to try deer heart sammies this year that someone else mentioned the last time we talked about this stuff. MMMMMMMMM, yummy.

I'm not sure just when this forum became populated with mind readers, but I don't think it is extreme to suggest that laws actually do what we say they are intended to do. Specifically, I will reference the point that you are still sidestepping: "I'm simply saying that if we are truly serious about helping the disabled continue to enjoy hunting, then do something meaningful like allowing them to use a weapon that really does assist almost all of them in a truly practical fashion.” That’s not extreme. That is simply attempting to add a law that encompasses as many of those that we are trying to help as possible at a very minor impact to the season. If we’re not serious about doing that, then leave things as they are. As far as your comment about “disabled people can already hunt with guns in gun season” ..... yeah ...... so? ..... next year they also will be able to hunt with crossbows in gun season........ so what? ..... What’s the point? None of that changes the fact that this bill would be meaningless to a significant percentage of the disabled that have unfair challenges and would be forced to use crossbows instead of something much more manageable like a pistol. That’s no different in principle to the way the laws are written now. You’re still trying to force them to use a weapon that has a good chance of not meeting their needs and to a certain percent will be just as useless as a compound bow. You see, everyone is trying to make the crossbow some kind of miracle weapon ...... It’s not. Certainly if the disability fits, there would be nothing wrong with them using a crossbow. But that is only a half-measure and totally useless to a whole category of disabled. So what’s the problem with also allowing the use of a pistol for the disabled? Alright, a pistol minus the scope if you want to keep it a short-range weapon. I’m not sure just what it is that you are afraid of. Properly defined and administered, the actual number of disabled that would take advantage of such a law would most likely be a very small number. And like I pointed out in the last response, you would have difficulty telling them from the existing small game hunters and turkey hunters already out there with guns during bow season. Why are we trying to pass laws that are only half-way measures? I don’t understand it unless the intent of this law is something other than helping the disabled. I’m wondering if the crossbow proponents are more concerned with using the disabled to advance their crossbow agenda than actually doing anything truly constructive for the disabled. Maybe you will understand the way Culver explained it, because I didnt sidestep anything, you just apparently didnt understand what I was saying. Looks like sits got the half page diatribe he was looking for though.

Not to put words in your mouth but...SO your position is 20 ga. is for girls...LOL Nope lol

You can't go wrong with the ol' 870. Yeah, they are good guns. The one Im going with is the slug gun with the Sureshot stock. Its extremely comfortable to hold, should be great to shoot. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-shurshot-synthetic-cantilever.aspx

My absolute favorite thing to munch on while deer hunting is deer jerky.

Well, I have decided that I will finally replace my old 20 ga and put it away for my daughter when she gets big enough. It was my first shotgun and will be her first shotgun as well. Im going to move to a Remington 870 in 12 ga, for which I already started stocking up on Hornady SSTs. Ive done a ton of research and they look like the best rated slugs out there. The lower recoil of the 20 was nice, but its time to just man up and let a 12 ga beat me up. Ill just put frozen venison steaks on the bruises.

There you go again, talking about a weapon that doesnt exist. : This bill is regarding crossBOWs, not some imaginary weapon you NYB types came up with.