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Lee at black ice was a pleasure to deal with. He even shipped before I paid for it. Should be arriving on Wednesday, can't wait

What and or how was it packed for shipping , just wondering

I have shot several deer with my 184 series mini 30. Most gun stores carry Remington and federal soft points in 123gr. Great gun, good choice, good luck just a fyi , don't lose the gas block piston when doing end of year cleaning.....took me a bit to find it.

Was it the deer you shot Ryan

I like the 1000gram rubber boots from dicks. I have been getting 5-6 years before they dry rot or crack. Will see if they are below the 99 buck price.

Yes....

Glad the Windex/water worked. Try that after every shooting session.

I agree with lawdwaz, thanks for the heads up. Dicks in the capitol region is the only place to carry bricks for 25 buck's or so or that bucket for 69 bucks. Who cares if its dirty, you need to clean it anyways. It's sad to see gun broker and on line store's selling it for top dollars.it's actually a shame sportsman are gauging sportsman.

Then there we go, guess I wonder why cva wouldn't make it a stock plug to shoot bh209 like TC and knight

Phade I don't think they make a quick release plug for the wolf, I could be wrong. But if you want to use bh209in a wolf you'll need a different breech plug from the stock one.

I have three moultrie s and love them all...

Just a heads up the stock cva plug won't shoot bh209, you need to modify it with a vent liner or order one from western powders

Macks prairie wings brand, i don't see a model, but there mossy oak break up camo. I have been very pleased . You don't make duck hunting waders in the duck Capitol of the world for nothing is what the guy told me !!

Check out macks prairie wings site, great selection of waders. I bought a 1200 gram insulated pair and love them .

Did you have to show a NULA, I asked Santa for that or a 10ml ll. Today's slug guns are nice advancement in hunting.

Savage 10 ml 11....

If you look at the qla can you tell if it's concentric to the bore?

Pricey of 145, can't wait to get it done

After xmass I am sending my white thunderbolt to get black iced by Lee at black ice . I have heard nothing but great thing s about his work. http://www.blackicecoatings.com/teflon-coating.html

I think the older t7 pellets were like that, I don't think anything bought now are like that. I could be wrong

Mattman77 the above was taken from mml from busta , for some reason the pics didn't copy over. If you do a google search for the metrics unlimited plug for nef you will see where I got it from on modern muzzliader . Should you need anything else just pm me. But I do encourage you to get one or two as they are much better then the Orange carriers. You can also have Ben Hubbard make a much better ram rod . Steve

« previous next » PRINT Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 Go Down Author Topic: Carrierless 209 Breech Plug for Huntsman/Sidekick, Blackhorn 209 Compatable! Carrierless 209 Breech Plug for Huntsman/Sidekick, Blackhorn 209 Compatable! « on: February 05, 2009, 10:06:45 am » This post will be a work in progress, I will add new information as I go along so check back for updates. I am really excited about this plug, and figured there would be several others that would want them too. This is a must, if you want to shoot Blackhorn 209 reliably out ot the Huntsman/Sidekick. Finally, a one piece carrierless 209 breech plug for the H&R/NEF Huntsman/Sidekick. This breech plug headspaces off the rim of the 209 primer similar to the Hubbard plug. It is easily installed/removed with a ½” socket or nut driver for the hex head. Only 5/8” plugs are available presently, but there is a possibility that they may look into the 7/8” plugs if these do well, and I would think demand would drive their decision. I have had one of these pre-production plugs for about a week now. My testing has been limited to function only at this point, as I have only shot it into spots on my snow covered berm from my garage. My Leupold Ultimate Slam scope has only been eye-ball bore sighted, but is very close. My function testing was conducted with Federal 209A primers, 80 grains Blackhorn 209, and a T/C Cheap Shot. I had instant ignition every time. They have done testing with standard Winchester and Remington Kleanbore primers, 85 grains 777, and a 300 grain Hornady saboted bullet. Although my testing has been limited at this time, I will be doing some accuracy testing as soon as time and weather permits. It was minus 8 F here last night, and the wind chill has been unbearable for shooting lately. I have made a couple suggestions, and both were incorporated into the production plug. One was clean up some tooling marks that were machined into the top of the plug while cutting the hex head, the other was a simple o-ring option in the bottom of the pocket. This shows me they are willing to work with us, and aim to please. These breech plugs were machined on a CNC Lathe, and they have made a limited run at this time, so if you want one of these, you might not want to drag your feet to long. They have advised me that the price will be $28.50 shipped in the U.S., I think that is very reasonable considering they had to program the CNC. My Hubbard plug cost $35, and this one is far better and easier to clean being one piece IMO. With my particular rifle, I fired a Federal 209A, one of if not the hottest 209's out there, it left some soot on the standing breech. First I was trying to figure out a shim, but I think I found the perfect alternative. I did this same exact thing with my Hubbard plug. I inserted an o-ring into the bottom of the primer pocket, this filled the gap in front of the primer, gave me about .015" crushable length between the primer rim and the plug, and allowed me to headspace off the front of the primer. This acts as a gasket and keeps the primer fouling where it should be, and blowback was almost non-existant. These are all Federal 209A primers, need the hottest for Blackhorn 209. These were fired with no powder to check for seal. Left, Unfired; Middle, Fired with my o-ring mod (approximate measurements, O.D. .285", I.D. .145", Thickness .070"); right, headspacing off the rim (have a slight couple thousandths gap when locked up tight). The o-ring is a compression fit, but works better that way and stays put until you want to remove it for cleaning. I also did a little unscientific test to check the primer pressure (no powder) going through the barrel with and without the o-ring. The muzzle was approximately 12" from the snow when fired. The one on the left is with the o-ring, the one on the right without. This is a comparison of the standard NEF plug with primer carrier and the carrierles 209 plug. This is the first 3 Federal 209A primers after my function test using the o-ring modification with 80 grains BH209 and the T/C Cheap Shot. Notice how clean they are, just a hint of smoke/soot on the standing breech. Two of the primer needed a little coaxing to remove, the other came out with fingers. I have since polished the inside of the primer pocket to make it a little smoother, this should help in that matter. O-Ring installed. This is a pic of plug and Federal 209A primer, no o-ring. This is a pic of plug and Federal 209A primer with o-ring installed. Notice the slight gap, giving a crushable few thousandths, to help adjust for any variances in tolerances. Please note, that this plug can be used with or without the o-ring. The Carrierless 209 Breech Plug for NEF Sidekick Contact information: Call 1-800-638-7986, ask for Nick, or e-mail [email protected] . Monday-Friday, open until 5:00 PM, EST. Not sure when they open, but I’m sure 9:00 AM, EST would be a safe bet.

NEF heritage is the same as the sidekick buts it was a run made for cabelas with camo synthetic stock and stainless barel. I think I got mine in 2004 but I would need to check to be sure. There were a bunch of on line muzzleloader hunters including myself who tested a plug that enabled you to use just the bare primer on the nef line of muzzle loaders. A company in Michigan and a guy named nick Allen were a huge part of the creation of it. You can 100% ignite bh209,t7,prydodex,Swiss,goes, or shockeys powder with no hang fires .You will get zero blow back as there is a lowes number 60 metric O ring in place in the primer pocket. I will try to post some more information for you with pics and address when I get time. It's a far better choice from the Orange carriers , and yes less water can get to it. Steve

My nef heritage , same as a nef sidekick but camo and stainless loves the 300/350gr hornady fpb. You might want to try some 460 gr no excuses conicals too. Hopefully you have an upgraded breech plug and your not dealing with the Orange primer carriers. I do like the sst but I use deep curls when using sabots. The sst is not new, are you sure they were not the ftx ?

PB tend to fragment big time, in my mind they are beyond a poor choice. Any modern sabot used will not leave a plastic residue. Sst will expand just fine at Muzzleloader velocities