G-Man

I know one hunter who started with crossbow and is now using a bow after 2 years of crossbow and he prefers compound to his x bow.. so yes it does happen, many start easy and after some success use more and more primitive or harder methods.. even with rifle , going to a pistol and perhaps ending with a flintlock pistol.. or a matchlock.. or back to a self made bow. Archery a d use of bows will not dissappear. It will become the end game of those that seek more of a challange.

My niece cant draw 30 yeat and shes 12. My.nephew has hard time with coodination after a sever concussion 2 years ago hes now 19. Everyone is different.

I have no issue with restrictions that exist in nys, if your not hunting with them in nys then your not pretty simple An excaliber is a recurve x bow and not under regulations. Simply nys compliant need to read regs and exceptions. There is no cam involved.

A right to hunt and fish to be managed by game department would be far less. No appointments wildlife bologist making rules and reg.. much less than now ,plus funds would not be distrubuted by politicians, simply funded by license and robertson pitman act.

Because we cant even get a right to hunt and fish in this state added to constitution. Remove game management from politics and dumb arguments like this are non existant. All states with game department managed wildlife allow crossbow in archery with archery course. The ones that dont are are managed by feelings and politics.. guess which states are prefered whitetail destinations......

As i sit here in ohio and i know many hunters here who have and use both and they have been legal here for 30 plus years, the bow hasnt left never will. Traditional archery is still alive and several on this site use traditional equipment. If your not your crusade is false as compounds are not anywhere near traditional archey or the purity of the sport. Personally the challenge of more primitive equipment is alluring and i cnat wait to get the spear legalized maybe i could get a 2 week only season for prime rut at that may increase the sport and bring it to the forefront of the hunting comunity.

Then if your using in nys your a serious poacher not hunter

Some kids are to weak to legally draw a bow ( perhaps to many video games ) but they have a interest. You use a compound that is repugnate to true archers yet you calime that your in it for essence of the sport so maybe try your compound instinctive no peep sights or rest.... oh wait the technology isnt compliant with traditional archery anymore you need that drop away rest or a whisker biscut to hold your arrow on the rest.. and sights to aim. ... same tech The only real losers in all this are archers who have disabilites that are not allowed to participate in season.. And there are no dr notes for bad shoulders to use them. The real problem as i told will elliott ( former outdoor writer) on a bear hunt in new brunswick is the new york definition of disabled.. quadriplegic with a breath tube to use a crossbow in archery season is ridiculous and yes that is only legal way.

Muzzleloader use to be side lock only, so i hope in keeping the essence of the sport your is as well ot just do what pa has and go flintlock, or maybe we should keep matchlocks or wheellocks alive.. The sport will always continue as it has in every state that has full inclusion for decades. Again if your not pushing for a traditional 2 week seaon 1st 2 weeks of november only, your real modivations lay in added deer removed from herd that you might get..

Peas and cucumbers are up so is lettuce. Took a risk and planted some sweet corn looks like warm dry week ahead, time to get out the tractor and work some big plots up.

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I prefer quakerboy or an old lynch box if you can pick one up

Funny people wont shoot bear , when they will take a coyote out if season " to protect their herd" yet bear are proven to be top predator of deer fawns in spring.. They are to tasty to pass let alone other wildlife benefits imo

Ive never seen someone use a 3k rifle either but someone does. And i have seen compounds mounted on a tripod rest. You can see disabled use them on youtube, you could use as well you choose not to but its still available. Ive seen wierd thinfs with guns as well off set plate on top to mount scooe so blind in right eye shooter can shoot with left eye right handed... most would just learn to shoot left handed i would assume.. because your personally choose the way you want doenst give you a right to condem a way someone else does using same technology combine in a way you think is repungnant.. it all the same.

Just because you dont doenst mean its not available. I do not know any one shooting a compound with out a release, and fiberoptic or lighted pins, and who doesnt use a range finder. As i said unless your shooting traditional your using all the same technology. Even if you dont want to believe it.

I dont call them cupcakes , they just dont want others in the woods that may get their deer.. they will say essence of the sport but use every tech advantage they can.. imo the only ones that got screwed are traditional archers they should have the 2 prime rut weeks alone, if any one is truly fore the essence of the sport they would agree.

Have draw locks available. Shot with 2 hands one needs to pull trigger same as a release. Same just can't draw and lock early same unless you have a draw lock. But with 90% let of you can draw and hold for many minutes with minimal poundage , ive seen a bow held back by just the weight of the rise.. and for a rest you can use a shooting stick on the stabilizer ahead of the riser if you wanted . So ......

They are in fact just horizontal compounds with a draw lock. Thats it . Same cams thicker shorter limbs.. same cables, cable guards ect .. its right in front of you. you just dont look.

I dont know any serious hunter that would buy a non nys compliant x bow let alone spend 2k plus on one. The width is controlled by regulations. and weight they weigh a lot in comparison to a compound, point of ballance is a better statement. I am aware for the $2500 plus x bows but they are not nys compliant. So that point for now is moot. As i siad i habe no problem with the restriction on pull and limb width, if anyone is hunting x bow in nys they should have a nus compliant x bow already.

1st scopes are avalable for bows ( you can look them up as are automatic range finders) any one using a release is using a trigger so thise points are invalid ( junt beacise you dont want to spend money on them dose not make them not exist. Air guns/crossguns uses a propellant , doenst have to be explosive. Its also the reason why big bore air rifles are not legal in ny. Its not propelled by a string like crossbow nor any bow ( there is a reason bow is included in word crossbow its where energy is stored in limbs) again i like the restriction on crossbows and have no issue with them if your hunting in nys now with one it should be nys legal period. As for the stock yep its different. But the horizontal position and front heavy nature makes them a challange to hunt with in thick cover or leaning out and around trees or stands. They are heavy,compared to bows as well. And as you see every year peoples xbows exploder fairly regularly as they keep them cocked so long , 4 hours are most manufacturers recomendations. I have bows that are decades old original strings and cables no issues, my crosbows have cables and strings replaced alredy and are only a few years old. Wear is much higher on crossbows. A gun well i have some a century old and they work as intended still . Just my experiances and my.opinion. My only hope is an archery course will be required not grand fathered in. So hunter learn where to aim , track , and sucessfully kill animal humanly. The idea they are a gun leads to high shoulder,neck, ass, and frontal shots by those inexperianced and uneducated using them. Fortunately everyone i know that uses a crossbow was also an archer but ive seen others who have no clue wounding deer cause they aim wrong, arrow drifts on long shots in wind,ect...

Good argument and traditional archers used that to try and keep compounds out and traditional bows could go up to 150 lbs or.more.. people who use heavy pulls actually change their bone structure.. the only difference is most bows need to be drawnjust before shot compounds do not.. the speed is negated by shorness of arrow on a crossbow and an compound will actually have more kenetic energy down range.. the most important thing is they kill the exactly the same way and have the same aiming points. Thats why the myth of its just like a gun needs to end.. i have no problems with restrictions on crossbows and feel they should of been left out of this bill. If your using a xbow in ny now it should be nys legal already..

So you are against moving backwards or forwards....

They are expensive 800 or so added expence to your bow. I dont see many 2k rifles in the woods either but they exist .

Plus so does a draw lock on your bow, opics are available as well for bows. The draw is mostly a non factor if you know when to draw..