ELMER J. FUDD Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I laugh when I see people on Facebook complaining about the pension cuts by the unions, state, etc. The union members think all is fine and dandy until they get sold down the road by the same crooks that fooled them in the first place. Here's a newsflash THEY CAN'T AFFORD YOU ANYMORE! Pension = Ponzi scheme. They drive the price of everything up. The whole idea of any person being able to do a particular job the same as another will bring this country to it's knees. Unions = socialism. It's like playing a game of baseball and instead of putting the best pitcher on the mound and the best outfielder in the outfield, you put whoever, wherever. Anybody pay attention in the 80's/90's. What happened to the Soviet union? The government told you what your job was. So let's say someone should have been a municipal worker, but was groomed to be a heart surgeon? You want that guy operating on you? The only good thing anyone can say about unions is "It's helped me out" Yeah me, me, me. I get it. I'll bet most don't even know how much per hour they cost a company paying them. They also won't see most of the money that was spent on their behalf. Don't give me that b.s. that it puts money back into the economy because they workers have more money to spend because for every dollar more a union worker costs, another dollar was coughed up by the end user. In most cases the end user is the taxpayers. The greates divide and conquer operation in human history is the taxpayer system. Anyone see the parody video of the uaw worker to the auto manufacturers? "but we'll go out of business if we pay our workers these rates" "Oh well, here's our contract" I guess I don't need any coffee today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgil Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 My father in law recently had to retire from the carpenter's union because there was no work. His local was disbanded recently due to a long history of corruption. Now, his health insurance has been slashed due to the union's financial problem. He never saw it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELMER J. FUDD Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I'll bet they saw it coming though. Sorry to hear that Virgil. I will say that one strength of the union is that they help get buildings up fast, which gets the real estate end of things making money sooner. Especially comercial real estate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 Several agencies want to revamp the authority's breaks and they don't have much ground to stand on legally so they are going about it in different avenues. I believe Palmers has had a similar issue as sticky lips but it has been under wraps and settled. The difference between Sticky and Palmer's is Palmers DOES NOT own their building. the Authority owns Palmers Building and since the Authority built it it should be prevailing rate (the way current regulations are) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 My father in law recently had to retire from the carpenter's union because there was no work. His local was disbanded recently due to a long history of corruption. Now, his health insurance has been slashed due to the union's financial problem. He never saw it coming. So to hear that Virgil . I think a lot of that is coming down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Prevailing rate should be the one a qualified worker is willing to accept for doing the job. Not some arbitrary figure someone feels should be paid regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 The incestuous relationship between the State of NY and it's Unions is one that developed over time to control votes. When politicians have the power to control what work the Unions get, as well as the wages they get paid, Unions will vote for the politicians that provide them with the most benefit. The Unions then turn around and make huge campaign contributions to the elected officials who took care of them. This is how these politicians, as well as their political party, stay in power. The Democratic Party is political party that instituted this system across the country. They claim to be the party of the working man because they have the support of the Unions, but they don't want the workers to know how the system really works. In the end, the taxpayers are the ones who pick up the tab every time they try to start a small business, or buy anything from any business, because the business owner must pass all of these extortion fees on to their customers by charging higher prices for their products or services. It's a way to make Capitalism fund a wealth re-distribution system that works like Socialism, but just isn't called Socialism. If you doubt that is true, just ask yourself how long Unions would survive if the government was not involved in this system and they were forced to be competitive? Even if you are a Union member, you need to understand, the Government is not your friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 It appears that Unions are just another form of Bullying !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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