Do you wear Orange? If so why? If not Why not? :)

[Dom]

Bubba I would not allow you to teach my youngsters its there choice to wear blaze orange when hunting my family allways puts safety first its stupid not to agree BO makes it safer I also think it should be mandatory to wear at least a BO hunting vest NO BLAZE ORANGE NO HUNTING FOR YOU SORRY ITS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD

[bubba]

well I do teach that blaze orange is safer. I do not teach it is mandatory because it is not mandatory. A lot of arm chair instructors I see. I have a curriculum to follow and do not inpose my own opinions.  Any of you think you can do better, message me and I will give you the information to apply.  Until then it may be best not to tell me how to do what I do until you have done it. 

[Doc]

Tiresome isn't it? I've learned that Bubba always has to get the last word in, so I simply let him. We do want a happy Bubba ..... right?

[bubba]

I clarified myself that I do not teach that blaze orange is a gimmick. If any of you showed up at my class and started to tell me how to teach it, you would be escorted to the door. I guess those sopassionate arent passionate enough to step up and teach it. Again any of you want a shot at it, let me know, I can set you up. I am off to set up the club for my class that starts tomorrow. I love to warp the minds of the up and coming.  it is a sinister plot.

[wztirem]

Its impossible to believe for one New York minute that someone who passionately believes that B/O is a "gimmick" could have the self control as to not preach such a point of view to a group of impressionable students.

By the way, lets see your Hunter Safety Instructor of the Year award.

[Dom]

so how many do not use BLAZE hunting is not about fashion i think the ones who do not probably tresspass and thats why they refuse to use it thats the only reason I can think of lifes to short to not take all precautions so this season lets see BLAZE ORANGE EVEN ON THOES WHO ARE OUT WALKING DURING THE SEASON ALSO ON YOR HUNTING BUDDIES/DOGS

[bubba]

When I go tomorrow I Will take a pic of my 25 year certificate.  You know  what, feel free to attack me all you like.  But I am very proud that in the past 25 years, I have not passed anyone who I did not feel was safe, and I have not had a student involved in a hunting accident from all those years. I start every class with stating if I do not feel safe in my brown carhartts in the woods with you, you do not get a certificate.  We do 3 to four claasses a year at 25 per class maximum x 25 years.  You do the math as to how many have been to my classes.  I guess you believe that every person who teaches anythng has to believe everything they teach.  I have had ECO in my classes saying they do not believe BO should be mandatory, and it is the stance of the DEC it is not necesary to be mandatory. But as I said you all think you know what goes on in my class or any other one.  It is easy to sat back and second guess and again assume what goes on.  If I gave my opinion about BO or you gave yours, you can be told not to teach any longer. We do not teach our opinions, we teach the curriculum.  i could care less what anyone thinks about my volunteer time or my feeings about BO.  My record stands for itself.  How many peole have you certified to be able to hunt?  Anyone?

[wztirem]

Its not an attack, just a natural knee jerk reaction to your comments. After all, its a public forum. You don't have to go out of your way to impress anyone, you have already made a significant impression.

Thank you

[bubba]

well it sure seems ot me that anyone who does not go along with the crowd is the red headed step child.  Again I could not care less what any of you think of me. I am still waiting to hear how many all the rest have certified and do what you can to make sure your sport is carried on. I thought this was america where you could express an opinion and not be ridiculed for it. Oh well to each his own.

[Doc]

My gosh are you still going it. Relax buddy. You're going to have a stroke or something. I thought you were all set. I already said you could have the last word, and that's always made you a happy Bubba before.

My goodness if you say you don't teach your whacked out ideas about blaze orange in your classes, I believe you. You wouldn't lie to us. I don't need to see any copy of your certificates. I'm sure your a good instructor.

Here's what you can do. Post one more reply and then you can say that you had the last word again and we'll have a happy Bubba and all will be well in the world again.

Doc

[bubba]

funny thing is doc, I was not even responding to you. I was responding to another who was talking to me.  I see who needs the last word or to try to twist the knife again. Have wonderful life if you can find it in yourself to let some of the hate go. Unless it is a real lame attempt at humor that isnt working. 

[houndhunter]

Oh I deffinetly youe a vest and when driving a hat as well... We have small property we own BUT some wack job came on the land when I was just 16 scared the hell outta me he didn't belong.... Just my thought its the safest. Too many oopsies anyway!

[sweet old bill]

I ware a orange hat and also a vest at all times

[wztirem]

funny thing is doc, I was not even responding to you. I was responding to another who was talking to me.  I see who needs the last word or to try to twist the knife again. Have wonderful life if you can find it in yourself to let some of the hate go. Unless it is a real lame attempt at humor that isnt working.

Doc's humor is refreshingly subtle,too bad you cannot appreciate it!

[bubba]

oh I do appreciate humor, I just havent seen any. 

[Windsorhunter]

It depends where I am hunting.  Private land while on stand, no orange.  While moving orange hat only.  On state land or crowded private land, orange vest and hat.  I spend alot of time scouting and don't want people finding my stands because I stand out wearing orange.  As far as I'm concerned, a hunter should be able to walk the woods with a Carhartt and horns on their head and NOT get shot at! 

[wztirem]

It depends where I am hunting.  Private land while on stand, no orange.  While moving orange hat only.  On state land or crowded private land, orange vest and hat.  I spend alot of time scouting and don't want people finding my stands because I stand out wearing orange.  As far as I'm concerned, a hunter should be able to walk the woods with a Carhartt and horns on their head and NOT get shot at!

You cannot be serious!

[bubba]

the key isnt what you wear, it is educating people how to hunt safely.  I shoud not have to be responsible for making my fellow hunters safe by wearing something so they wont shoot me.

[wztirem]

See previous quote.

[bubba]

it i s too bad you refuse to enter into a debate, and just prefer to say things that mean nothing, just to keep it going.  I think you are a doc wannabe.

[biggamefish]

  I sort of agree with the brown thing you should be able to wear brown and not get shot.  It isn't a perfect world though and we all know that.  There are to many people that shoot at moving things without actually knowing what they are shooting at.  The whole brown its down thing is a scary saying.  I can honestly say that I have never shot through brush at something brown not know what it is.  There are too many people that do that sort of thing.  In this respect I agree with wearing something bright so people know what you are when you are moving.  That doesn't mean you are always safe we all know that.  Should it be manditory I don't think so it might thin out some of the dumb people out there ( I am just kidding ).  We should be free to do what we want we do supposedly live in a free country right??

[wztirem]

it i s too bad you refuse to enter into a debate, and just prefer to say things that mean nothing, just to keep it going.  I think you are a doc wannabe.

Its a waste of time to constructively debate anything with you! As Doc previously remarked to you, have the last word. Flame away sparky!

[bubba]

I make points you make dumb remarks wannabe. Funny part is in person neither would do what you do. I refer to that type as internet tough guys.

[Doc]

As far as I'm concerned, a hunter should be able to walk the woods with a Carhartt and horns on their head and NOT get shot at!

Don't we wish ...... but reasonable thinking people understand that that is not the case. We can come up with a lot of reasons for not using common sense safety equipment, and I suppose if your life or various parts of your body means little or nothing to you or your family then maybe these reasons start to take on the highest priorities for you. We have already discussed endlessly the fact that no private land is "trespasser-proof", but some really don't want to think about those kinds of things . So I'm sure that until or if blaze orange becomes a legal requirement we will still continue to hear lame excuses for trying to become a target during gun season. It's too bad that it takes a law to make people do what 90% of all hunters already recognize as an act of sanity, but this post and a few others are pretty good advertisements for the need for a B/O law.

Doc

[bubba]

If as you say 90 percent already do, why worry about the other 10 percent?  I would think you would be happy to thin us out.  So if I understand this correctly, you want to enact a law to force 10 percent of hunters to adhere to your way of thinking?  Seems to me like a I know more than you and I will make you do what I want attitude.