change in attitude over the years

[greybeard]

I just found an old book, in a box, that I got as a kid. It's a child's book,  it has drawings, but no photos and  from around 1951. On the 1st page it says that it's written for children.

 

It starts out with a kid deer hunting with his father and the father shoots a buck,  it includes the son preparing leather for snares and shows him setting a trap. It tells what he trapped and in one of the drawings the kid is carrying dead small game, There is a picture(drawing) of the father carrying the dead buck and then hanging it in a tree. I loved the book.

 

Imagine if now you gave that book  to a kid, after all it states that it is a child's book, and he brought it to school...I wonder what the teacher would say. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that they'd like that book. I think times have changed.

 

I'm passing the  book  down thru a relative on Christmas.

[breethwithme]

I agree somebody told me they don't even teach the constitution or the bill of rights anymore in school. That's crazy!! I read them to my kids all the time so they know what freedom used to b like. And what there rights are.

when the people fear the government there is tyranny. when the government fears the people there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

[Five Seasons]

How much shooting and how many firearms are pictured? I think hunting still gets a pass from most when it comes to guns. I said most, not all.

[greybeard]

Finding that book  today and looking through it just made me think about the way we have changed. I doubt that I'd find that book in the children's section of the library, or book store today.

 

I always hated when the over 65 crowd told me how much better it was "back then".  There are an awful lot of advances that have contributed greatly to a better way of living, and I sure take advantage of them., and I don't want to go backwards. However, I did like some of   the attitudes about certain things better a few years back.

 

 

[BUCKANDAQUARTER]

It is amazing how things have changed since I was a little kid in the 1980s and early 90's. Things have gotten downright pathetic and it actually makes me sick to think about how it has have evolved over the years. I have small kids and it is a challenge to bring them up with the "old school" mentality. You don't want them to feel left out or different from their friends. I teach my boys about hunting, fishing and they eat wild game. Some kids their age would probably rather eat rat poison, not knowing any better. I live in a small town and can't imagine what it would be like in a city. I can't imagine how some of the older crowd feels about this subject.

[greybeard]

Belo, I was going to mention the gun drawings, but I  forgot... I don't know how I forgot, but I did..scarey..

 

 

It's about a pioneer Ohio boy and he's on the cover with a rifle.

The third page  has a picture of the kid with a gun and his father carrying a dead deer.

The next 2 pages have rifles...

 

There are more drawings of rifles, but I'm sure you don't want me to continue.

 

I  don't know , maybe it's just my take on things, but it seems to me that this book showing drawings of guns, traps, and dead animals would not go over too well with parents today..It's a little kids book, not like a Tom Sawyer type book.

Tell me I'm wrong, and you will make me a happy guy, it would be a criticism that I would welcome.

 

[BUCKANDAQUARTER]

Finding that book  today and looking through it just made me think about the way we have changed. I doubt that I'd find that book in the children's section of the library, or book store today.

 

I always hated when the over 65 crowd told me how much better it was "back then".  There are an awful lot of advances that have contributed greatly to a better way of living, and I sure take advantage of them., and I don't want to go backwards. However, I did like some of   the attitudes about certain things better a few years back.

 

I would have loved to grown up and raised kids back then!

 

You are right, I can imagine there being headlines about some little kid bringing that to the wrong classroom.

Edited December 23, 2013 by BUCKANDAQUARTER

[shawnhu]

I had first hand experience of this type of mentality over the thanksgiving holidays.

I was over at my sister's and was talking with my brother-in-law. He's ex-military, as all Israeli are. He's very good with his hands, and hence I brought up the subject of guns. I was immediately silenced about the subject, as my sister didn't want her children to hear about it. The little ones are 6 and 2.

We later proceeded to talk in "code" and never mentioned "shooting" or "guns", but she figured it out and shut that down as well.

It wasn't until we went to my cousins place that we were able to "escape" her evil grasp, since my cousin's place is loaded with assault type arms such as mac10, ak, and many high power revolvers. We had a great time there talking ballistics and gun history.

Some people are so scared of guns, it's down right scary.

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[greybeard]

BUCKANDQUARTER..

I was born in NYC, but lived most of my life on LI. My city relatives would come to the country to see us...You cannot imagine how much LI has changed. I have a very good life, I still love the Island  And .L.I. still has a lot for me, but it's changed unbelievably. It's too much to list.

 

Finding that book just got me to thinking of the changing attitudes toward hunting and guns, and other things

 

From reading your post I see that even up there the changes are disturbing too. Reading that you are  raising your kids "old school" is uplifting. I was happy to read that... good luck

 

 

 

 

[greybeard]

BUCKANDAQUARTER.  When I got my first rifle, army surplus, I walked into a Dept. Store, took the gun I wanted from a barrel and   bought it for $28.

 

Dept. stores,  and some hardware stores had guns. My wife's high school had a rifle team(remember this was on LI), so imagine the changes.

I had a daisy bb gun and used to walk down my block and shoot grasshoppers, and no one called the cops even if they didn't like it.

 

But ya know there were many things we wouldn't want.. black and white tv with with 7 then down to 6  channels, no air conditioners, you didn't hop on a plane and head to great vacations, etc. BUT I sure liked the mentality better and really that was my intent in the first post.

 

Shawn,.. I've seen that before.. "Don't talk about it in front of the kids."..

[breethwithme]

I let my kids shoot all the time. My son was shooting an AR when he was 5! He really enjoys shooting and is very responsible for his age compared to the other boys in the neighborhood. When his friends come over and see all the guns around they get curious which is in Our nature and ask about them,and he tells them about them. I have asked some of the kids parents if I could take them shooting and they all say no. Your right when I was young I used to walk around with a bb gun and nobody cared.

when the people fear the government there is tyranny. when the government fears the people there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

[Elmo]

They're trying to ingrain that mentality into the general public and it starts with the kids.  Took my wife some time to get comfortable being around firearms.  Not the safety of it but the legal parts of it.  In the beginning, whenever I was handling one, she would look around and warn me that someone might see me like I'm dealing illegal narcotics or something.  I had to remind her that every thing I'm doing is legal so it doesn't matter if people see me.

[Doc]

You're right, there has been a heck of a change in attitudes over the years. back when I went to high school, opening day of deer season was an acceptable excuse for absence.

[gastrodoc]

I grew up in a suburban town outside of Buffalo.  In eigth grade, I brought my compound bow to school for a show and tell hunting broadheads and all.  I was able to walk into school with the bow in plain sight and no questions were asked.  Me and my friends used to trap and only had our bikes for transportation.  We used to ride down Main Street with red and gray fox as well as coon slung over our shoulders on our bikes and never had any issues.   This wasn't that long ago, 1989-1990.  Today, I think your parents would get a visit from the police

[growalot]

The teacher would confiscate it and send them to the principals office...probably escorted by a school security officer

[landtracdeerhunter]

The teacher would confiscate it and send them to the principals office...probably escorted by a school security officer

 

And the news media would pick it up and blow it way out of proportion.

 

[pawle76]

When I was in grade school in the 80's my teachers knew my dad was a deer hunter and they expected to get fresh venison if my dad got something. It's really sad how things have changed in this country. The attempt to be "politically correct" has made common sense a thing of the past. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse with this so called president and his liberal/socialist buddies who rule the roost right now.

[thphm]

You cannot imagine how much LI has changed. I have a very good life, I still love the Island  And .L.I. still has a lot for me, but it's changed unbelievably. It's too much to list.

 

I grew up in Nassau County not far from the city. At that time there were still working farms in the area and a dairy in town.My grandmother had milk cows,layer chickens and meat chickens ,ducks,she sold meat and milk. And that was in Nassau County also.

I shot my first pheasant with my bow when I was 12 years old in an area in which they later built very expensive houses.

There was also a land fill that they would allow people to go to after there working hours with 22 rifles and shoot the rats.Of wich I also got one with my boy.

So you can imagine how much I have seen it change.

[greybeard]

I was discussing this with my wife last night, remembering things and it came up that  that when I was in college, on L.I. I did a speech on guns and brought a couple as props. No ammo, with  bolts removed,  but that can not happen now. I understand why it can't be done now, but it was a different world then. One student voiced her dis approval about firearms, but only one.

 

My wife, a non hunter, said that it was amazing that with all the violent games kids play that so many people are offended by talking about hunting in front of them.

 

I had close friend who grew up in the southern Adirondacks, who told me that when she was growing up, her school was closed on opening day of deer season. I can't verify what she said, but I sure bet that an awful lot of kids were out hunting that day.( The Northern Zone deer season was always the same day, so that's the date I decided to get engaged on so I wouldn't forget,. When I told people about that then most didn't blink.)

 

Last year someone wrote about a squirrel derby, and how even  non New Yorkers were protesting.. I think the protest was started by a Texan. As I recall, maybe I'm confusing this hunt with another hunt, but some of the anti statements had to do with teaching the children about killing animals .. SQUIRRELS !!!  I guess I shouldn't be surprised there was  an animal rights group  statement about someone  killing a fly... "The times they are a changin' "(Dillon) title  seems to apply here.

[pawle76]

Where in Nassau ? I'm from East Meadow, my dad told me stories when he was a kid and East Meadow was potato farms.

[greybeard]

lurking.. You may appreciate this.. I have old post cards from my wife's grandparents from when they were young and lived in Westbury.. It was addressed to their name,, with no street address, just Westbury, NY..  and it got delivered.. Talk about a different L.I.

[bluecoupe]

Born in the mid-50's and raised in small-towns in NW PA.   Had a bb gun when I was 5.  Only allowed to shot it in my Dads presence for a long time though. Then I was allowed to setup a box filled with newspaper and target practice with it in the basement. From there, after the safety rules were beaten into my head (figuratively of course), I was allowed to take it outside to "hunt" salamanders, frogs, etc. Then onto the .22's etc.  Guns were a part of life in that area back then, and still are to a large extent in that area even today.  They tried keeping the schools open on opening day one year, no one showed up so they gave up. They're still closed opening day.

 

It was common to leave the house after breakfast, meet up with friends and not show back up at the house until lunch or dinner time.  No one worried and if you needed anything, you could go to the door of any house for help.

 

"If you can't find something to do, I can find you something" were common words out of Mothers mouths back then.  Very effective because you knew that they weren't an idle threat.  When parents spoke back then, they meant it. They generally spoke once and if "whatever" wasn't heeded by the youngin's, there WERE immediate consequences, none of this "if I have to tell you once more"... there was only once period.  Sass back or say "no"?  Unheard of.  I remember when I was about 15 I was going to assert my manhood and said "no" to my Father.  The next thing I remember was picking myself up from the corner. Never did that again and turn him in? Never even considered it. He knew where I slept! lol   - No worse for the wear though.

You had chores to do and they'd just better be done without being told. We were allowed to watch 1 hour of tv a day, period. Kids were the remote control: "go outside and turn the antenna and stop when I tell you".    Curfew was: "be home when the streetlights come on".   Dinner was eaten by the whole family at the same time and at the same table, no exceptions.

 

Good times back then and I wouldn't trade them for anything.  A lot of that attitude still does exist but you have to get away from the cities and into rural America to find it.

Edited December 23, 2013 by bluecoupe

[breethwithme]

Also people never cared if u hunted on there land I used to just walk to the farms and ask if I could shoot. Now everybody is suing everybody and wont let anybody hunt. Personal responsability is a thing of the past also. If you got hurt it was your fault don't do it again.

when the people fear the government there is tyranny. when the government fears the people there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

[bluecoupe]

yeah, we always asked permission though to be respectful. 

 

As for getting hurt, landowners are NOT responsible if someone gets hurt hunting on their property and can NOT be sued unless the landowner intentionally created hazardous conditions.  The majority of both hunters and landowners don't understand/believe this but it's the truth.

Edit: As long as the hunters did NOT pay for access

Edited December 23, 2013 by bluecoupe

[breethwithme]

I wonder why nobody will let u hunt on there land anymore? all I see is posted signs everywhere. I have stoped and asked and they all say no.

when the people fear the government there is tyranny. when the government fears the people there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson