My Slammer

[Culvercreek hunt club]

and DMP's can ONLY be used for antlerless.....or buck with less that a 3" antler. so I can't buy how this could be a possible out ...I stand corrected. Had no idea you could use on either sex now

[phade]

Phade thats all well and good BUT, I do not see a tag to begin with on the first buck!

No, really, it's not. Because you've already labeled him a lawbreaker saying he poached a second deer....and you don't know all of the facts. You're throwing wet noodles against a wall and trying to see what sticks.

And, to be honest, I don't often place tags on the ears/antlers...I actually place them inside the gum line of the buck's mouth after a good suggestion by a DEC officer. I once lost a tag on a drag and had to call and spend time to resolve the tagging and that was his suggestion to prevent it from happening. But, that's another issue, altogether.

You are ready to fry the guy...prejudging is not necessarily the best thing to do. I suggest you at least let the man explain. He hasn't been on since July 17...all of these post started on July 24 about the poaching ordeal.

Phade, you DO know that you dont have to put the tag ON the animal until you get it to your mode of transportation out of the area, right? So you losing your tag on the drag back was completely unnecessary. Its right in the rules. 

What happens to the thread is up to the owner of the site.

Yep, but the mode of transportation is my feet when hunting behind the house. I personally won't hang a deer in teh yard without the tag on the person (deer).  Don't know if the 4-wheeler would be considered a mode, but that's sometimes in use as well.

[Doewhacker]

No kid gloves when you are judged by your peers.

[Lawdwaz]

Phade. It has been years since I have hunted 8C. I have heard of the extra tags for DOES....have gotten a few my self back then. Where do you read that it works for bucks too?

It's been talked about on this site a few times before, I think. Here's teh language:

Bonus DMPs will be issued to increase hunter participation and deer harvest in four Wildlife Management Units (1C, 3S, 4J and 8C). "Bonus Permits" will be available to hunters who take an antlerless deer in one of those units on a Deer Management Permit (DMP) or a Bonus DMP for that unit. Bonus DMPs may be used only in the Unit for which they are issued and will be valid for a deer of either sex. Bonus DMPs that are used to take an antlerless deer may be replaced with another "Bonus DMP". Bonus DMPs used to take an antlered deer will not be replaced.

THAT'S what we're looking for, an easy explanation!

Come on back, OP!!

[WNYBuckHunter]

Phade thats all well and good BUT, I do not see a tag to begin with on the first buck!

No, really, it's not. Because you've already labeled him a lawbreaker saying he poached a second deer....and you don't know all of the facts. You're throwing wet noodles against a wall and trying to see what sticks.

And, to be honest, I don't often place tags on the ears/antlers...I actually place them inside the gum line of the buck's mouth after a good suggestion by a DEC officer. I once lost a tag on a drag and had to call and spend time to resolve the tagging and that was his suggestion to prevent it from happening. But, that's another issue, altogether.

You are ready to fry the guy...prejudging is not necessarily the best thing to do. I suggest you at least let the man explain. He hasn't been on since July 17...all of these post started on July 24 about the poaching ordeal.

Phade, you DO know that you dont have to put the tag ON the animal until you get it to your mode of transportation out of the area, right? So you losing your tag on the drag back was completely unnecessary. Its right in the rules. 

What happens to the thread is up to the owner of the site.

Yep, but the mode of transportation is my feet when hunting behind the house. Don't know if the 4-wheeler would be considered a mode, but that's sometimes in use as well.

They mean to your truck or in your case, the house. You dont need to have the tag on the animal dragging it out of the field.

[Lawdwaz]

I can't type fast enough.......................... ;D

[phade]

and DMP's can ONLY be used for antlerless.....or buck with less that a 3" antler. so I can't buy how this could be a possible out ...I stand corrected. Had no idea you could use on either sex now

Bonus permit is an "any deer will do" tag...mature buck, doe, button, etc. It's not the run of the mill DMP.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Quick FYI guys, the OP has tried changing his screen name, email address, etc on his account. It doesnt look like he will be coming back to the site.

[phade]

Quick FYI guys, the OP has tried changing his screen name, email address, etc on his account. It doesnt look like he will be coming back to the site.

That's not pretty.

[Doewhacker]

and DMP's can ONLY be used for antlerless.....or buck with less that a 3" antler. so I can't buy how this could be a possible out ...I stand corrected. Had no idea you could use on either sex now

Bonus permit is an "any deer will do" tag...mature buck, doe, button, etc. It's not the run of the mill DMP.

"Bonus Permits" will be available to hunters who take an antlerless deer in one of those units on a Deer Management Permit (DMP) or a Bonus DMP for that unit

"Bonus DMPs used to take an antlered deer will not be replaced."

What does that say?

[phade]

and DMP's can ONLY be used for antlerless.....or buck with less that a 3" antler. so I can't buy how this could be a possible out ...I stand corrected. Had no idea you could use on either sex now

Bonus permit is an "any deer will do" tag...mature buck, doe, button, etc. It's not the run of the mill DMP.

"Bonus Permits" will be available to hunters who take an antlerless deer in one of those units on a Deer Management Permit (DMP) or a Bonus DMP for that unit

"Bonus DMPs used to take an antlered deer will not be replaced."

What does that say?

Let me break this down for you:

1. Hunt in 8c (or any other of the three units)

2. Fill a DMP or a Bonus Permit with a doe.

3. Receive an Either Sex tag for 8c

4. Shoot a Buck...tag it with your either sex Bonus Permit.

5. Shoot another buck statewide and tag with your regular bow either-sex tag, reg tag, etc. as season proceeds.

You also have the option to keep replacing the tag with antlerless harvests rather than a antlered deer. In theory, you can slaughter the does in 8c if you keep repleneishing the tag. Shoot a buck...and that ends.

Class dismissed.

[Doewhacker]

So now you are assuming he shot a doe first? Come on. You can't shot a buck and get a replacement tag for another buck.

[phade]

So now you are assuming he shot a doe first? Come on. You can't shot a buck and get a replacement tag for another buck.

It's just plausible, and admittedly (multiple times) a low chance of occurring, but plausible nonetheless.

Heck, I've shot three deer with my bow in that area in an hour and a half alone. Deer are like rats in 8c....the problem is getting access. I know a few people who shoot 8 deer a year out of 8c and they only hunt 10 days a year or so. Some of those bucks are legit high-end book bucks since there's little hunting pressure and bow-only.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

perimeter land around 8C gets just STUFFED with deer once the guns start going off. I tok one doe one morning....ran the tag to the DEC and took another on an evening watch that same day. If you can get access to a greenway corridor during the rut it is like a buck freight train in them. The 500 foot rule cuts a lot of that hunting out. If they ever reduce it...whatch some of the bucks you start to see get taken.

[JCTheGC]

Or just start taking two like this guy did.  If he was not guilty he would have defended him self and not tried to disappear off the site.

[WNYBuckHunter]

He lives in Marion, to be more specific. Thats a pretty good jog from 8c.

[phade]

He lives in Marion, to be more specific. Thats a pretty good jog from 8c.

I thought I remember his posts saying something about Sodus...either case, it's not that far at all to 8c. Maybe 30 min. (less than 20 miles) to 8C. Marion's actually closer to 8C than Sodus.

Again, we're all reaching at straws here, but bottom line is he should respond and explain, but doesn't look like he will based on the actions you stated he took.

[WNYBuckHunter]

It would be nice to get an explanation, but I highly doubt we will see it. I think the fact that he tried to change his info is explanation enough.

BTW, this buck (the second one) is pretty clearly from his home grounds, as he said his stand was 300 yards from the house. The first buck he shot was on Oct 18, which was the 3rd day of the season. He never posted anything about shooting a doe on the 16th or 17th, and it seems that he likes to post about his successful hunts. Simple reasoning says that the spike was his first kill of the season, not a deer shot on a bonus tag. Following that line of thought, the second buck was poached.

Its possible that there is some other, legal explanation, its just not probable.

[Doewhacker]

It doesn't matter where he lives, you can't shot a buck and go back and shot another buck in a different area. Any way you shake it he did something wrong, either no tag on the first, or some one elses tag. The "bonus" tags are only obtainable if you shot a doe first, to the best of my knowledge. And even if he did get that magic bonus tag, it would have to be used in that bow only area, which he clearly states he was not in on the second buck. Case closed.

[phade]

It would be nice to get an explanation, but I highly doubt we will see it. I think the fact that he tried to change his info is explanation enough.

BTW, this buck (the second one) is pretty clearly from his home grounds, as he said his stand was 300 yards from the house. The first buck he shot was on Oct 18, which was the 3rd day of the season. He never posted anything about shooting a doe on the 16th or 17th, and it seems that he likes to post about his successful hunts. Simple reasoning says that the spike was his first kill of the season, not a deer shot on a bonus tag. Following that line of thought, the second buck was poached.

Its possible that there is some other, legal explanation, its just not probable.

Agreed, but like I said...it's plausible, not probable.

[phade]

It doesn't matter where he lives, you can't shot a buck and go back and shot another buck in a different area. Any way you shake it he did something wrong, either no tag on the first, or some one elses tag. The "bonus" tags are only obtainable if you shot a doe first, to the best of my knowledge. And even if he did get that magic bonus tag, it would have to be used in that bow only area, which he clearly states he was not in on the second buck. Case closed.

Yes you can. Comprehend...and I just want to inform you so there's less ignorance to this kind of situation if you ever encounter it again or hunt it for that matter.

Harvest:

doe 8c - Bonus dmp/dmp

buck 8c - Bonus permit

buck in 8j or wherever Marion lies (or anywhere in NY where legal) - statewide either-sex

Easy.

For the billionth time, was it likely, no. Plausible, yes.

[moose]

Phade when he gets busted you can be his lawyer. GOOD LUCK WITH THE CASE!!!!! let me know the out come.

[phade]

Phade when he gets busted you can be his lawyer. GOOD LUCK WITH THE CASE!!!!! let me know the out come.

Sigh. That the best you can offer to this thread?

Apparently people don't understand what plausible but not probable means. I just don't want, in the event of a rational/legal explanation, someone's name getting unfairly dragged through the mud. Obviously his non-public actions aren't convincing, either, but the fact remains, there's plausibility here and nobody seems to recognize that. The lynch mob is quick to the noose (such as before his non-public actions were noted).

[Doewhacker]

"both of mine are 8F

and my son's are also 8F "

This is one of his post's last year reguarding doe permits. I don't see 8c mentioned any where in any of his post's and I looked at all of em.   

[nyantler]

Quick FYI guys, the OP has tried changing his screen name, email address, etc on his account. It doesnt look like he will be coming back to the site.

I noticed that right off.. he changed it and changed it back... I'm sure he's been $%!ting his britches since he posted this... It doesn't look good for him... He didn't have it scored as far as I know... otherwise He'd have had a tough time explaining things... I'd be curious if he even reported either buck.. ;D